...the state amendment to ban gay marriage if you live in California.
1. Because America is a Christian nation. That's why Hindus and Muslims aren't allowed to marry.
2. Because marriage is an intrinsically religious legal ceremony. That's why atheists can't get married and why you can't have a non-religious ceremony.
3. Because gay marriage will undermine traditional marriages. That's why traditional marriages always work.
4. Because gay marriage is disgusting and we don't want to think about what they're doing in the marriage bed. That's why we never let ugly people or morbidly obese people or old people marry.
5. Because marriage is for procreation. That's why sterile couples and childfree couples aren't allowed to marry.
6. Because if we allow gay marriage, then schools will have to encourage it among our children. That's why everyone is pushing interracial marriage on kindergartners all the time.
7. Because if we allow gay marriage, churches will be forced to marry gay people. Like they're forced to marry anyone else who walks through their doors.
Okay, all irony aside: You may not like gay marriage. You don't have to like it. But it is constitutional on a strictly legal level, getting married by a justice of the peace in a non-religious ceremony. Any subsequent religious ceremony doesn't have to be official, just as commitment ceremonies between gay couples now aren't official.
You know I don't usually bring politics into this blog, but this just seems rather simple to me. Deep down, it's about gay sex disgusting people. And you know what? I don't care if it disgusts you. Disgust does not a law make. It may not be pretty to you, but in this secular nation with a separation between church and state, a specific religious moral outrage shouldn't trump the constitutional right to a legal marriage. Separate but equal is not enough.
Please, vote NO on Prop 8.
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That is an awesome post. I want to print it out and carry it around with me to use for talking points when I'm arguing with someone about gay marriage. Good job!
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Agreed, everyone in CA please vote NO on prop 8!!
I don't understand why a lot of gay couples go for the religious ceremony rather than the strictly non-religious one. I mean, why get married under a religion where you are shunned, disliked, and homosexuality is not condoned? I personally don't see why any gay person would fight for the right to marry under a condemning religion. Just get married in a civil court or whatever they do here non-religiously. But that's just me :)
I don't understand why a lot of gay couples go for the religious ceremony rather than the strictly non-religious one. I mean, why get married under a religion where you are shunned, disliked, and homosexuality is not condoned?
Who says they do? There's never been a religion in the world that people haven't tweaked and adjusted to their own needs and preferances. There are rabbis and priests who will perform gay marriages; there are rabbis and priests who are openly gay. Religious people are just as willing to take each other's shit for supporting gay rights as the rest of us depraved secularists, and if your religion is an important and ingrained part of your life and compatible with your queerness, then you're not going to give it up because of some loudmouthed fringe wingnuts, any more than you would if you were straight.
I'll admit that the title scared me for a second, but now that I have read it, I am completely in love! I wouldn't even call this irony. If you're following the logic of people in support of Prop 8, this makes perfect sense (not).
Well said. I'm very sad that I don't live in California anymore and can't vote no on Prop 8.
But I'm in Colorado, where I get to vote no on Amendment 48 (whether or not fertilized eggs should be given protection under the constitution. Ugh) so I still have a chance to do good in the world.
Have you seen these Yes on Prop 8 commercials? They basically argue the points in your post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-jc4ujp9Ok
I watched that youtube video and went on a 20 minute rant about the "party 'A', party 'B'" crap to my future party 'A'.
I like the idea of the A and B stuff, the government recognizing me as bride is too personal, they do not know me, they were not at my wedding. All they need to know is I am married, not whether I am a bride or groom. If you want to be a bride so badly, tell you whole fucking family to call you bride. The government will never call you 'party a or b'.
Do these people even realize how petty it is to demand gay marriage be banned so that they can be called a bride or groom? They need to cover up, cause they are showing way more privilege than anyone wants to see.
"Just get married in a civil court or whatever they do here non-religiously. But that's just me :)
Um, Vicki...? Up until very recently, where exactly in California could same-sex partners go to "get married in a civil court or whatever?"
You do realize that Proposition 8 seeks to amend the STATE CONSTITUTION, right? Not your local church bylaws?
You do also realize, I hope, that there are plenty of churches that are happy to affirm same-sex partnerships by bestowing the status of marriage on them -- but until very recently were prohibited by law from doing so? And will be again if Proposition 8 passes?
@Vicki:
I also want to point out, in addition to what other commenters have said about many religions being for marriage equality, that we don’t really do “civil unions” in the U.S. We have marriages. My husband and I are both atheists, we had a completely non-religious ceremony outdoors. We still received a marriage license; we have a marriage, not a civil union. We call it marriage in the U.S., whether the ceremony was religious or not.