Hello Ladies,
This is my First post and I'm still a little un-sure of how this works..here I go. I am in a Kinship, Marriage and Human sexuality class and we were randomly assiged debate roles. My role is a FEMINIST PROFESSOR WHO ARGUES THAT SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD EXPLOITS WOMEN. I have no idea what to say??? I consider myself a Feminist but I personally dont know why surrogate motherhood is a bad thing. Or maybe I am just seeing things one sided because I think that any couple that are willing to go through all that hard work to get a baby and want a baby should have one no matter their disabilities and if there is a women that is willing to give them a baby is a great person.Can any one out there help me?


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It sounds like you've been given the assignment "Be an unreasonable, uncaring feminist" honestly. It is really hard to argue for exploitation where there is consent, so you might have to skirt it, or submit to acting like a paranoid nut. I'm kind of annoyed by it, as a reasonable feminist.
You could try talking about adoption. A couple using a surrogate is going a long way to create a baby, when adopting one is so much of a more caring, selfless act. A society that accepts surrogate mothers devalues the concept of adoption being the go-to place for infertile couples, leaving many kids in the system.
You could also go for the idea that it perpetuates the idea that women should be pregnant. Even if she doesn't want a family, she gets pregnant for a couple that can't. I dunno, that's about as close I can get. Good luck.
But the arguments I've heard on this topic take up the issue of consent, and what it really means when the mother is in a desparate financial situation and/or doesn't anticipate the intensity of the experience of carrying a child and then relinquishing any right or access to it. So I think just pointing out that surrogate mothers give their legal consent ahead of time is over-simplifying it. Coercion is often not explicit or exerted by the person who stands to gain by it, as in the case of financial coercion that results from extreme poverty.
As I mentioned in my statistics below, women in first-world nations do not chose surrogacy for money and indeed describe it more as a service and joy than a job, even if they do appreciate the money.
I would suggest researching surrogacy via women from third world countries and exploring the parallels between surrogacy and the sex trade (both involve "renting out" the female body).
I like Happyhappygirl's interpretation of this assignment. I don't see any problems with surrogacy per say either, however I do see potential problems with exploitation of female bodies from poor nations. Perhaps a better approach to this is instead just making such blanket statement, is to approach it in terms of problem with minority and class exploitation.
Indeed.
But I'm wondering what your professor was thinking when they added "feminist professor" as part of the debate stance.
i agree with happyhappygirl, and to continue, i recently did a similar topic in my gender politics class, and we discussed surrogacy.
3rd world women are often 'hired' and exploited by wealthy white couples to bear their children because they have little to no other choice to be able to obtain money to live. They are often not afforded proper care, or proper respect for their bodies, and the rights of the biological parents are of priority instead of the woman who is actually carrying the child.
also, as more of a future repurcussion. the idea of surrogacy could become a world in which women's bodies are no longer independent from society but become recepticals for populating the world. kind of a like a 'brave new world' scenario.
More like Margaret Atwood's "Hand Maids Tale"
I haven't done much research regarding surrogacy but from a law class that I was in last year you might want to look into the class disparity between people who pay women as surrogates.
Also, there is a practise of "outsourcing" surrogacy to women in other countries such as India that you might want to look into.
I suppose one of the questions you'll want to think about is if you consider the purchase (or renting) of women's bodies as exploitive and build from there. Because this is part of the issue surrounding the exploitation of women who are surrogates.
My issue here wouldn't be the surrogacy so much as the fact that there are so many kids who need adopting.
But without any actual knowledge on the subject, I see a potentially huge problem with this. Pregnancy is a huge commitment of a woman's time, physical health (especially in third world countries where childbirth is still very risky), and emotions. If a woman is pressured by dire financial circumstances and lack of opportunities to go through this process on behalf of strangers, and probably have no relationship to the child after, that seems pretty cruel even if no direct coercion is involved. If it's for financial survival, the woman might spend several years of her life bearing children that she'll then lose forever.
Assuming for the moment that potential surrogate mothers are people, and therefore capable of acting in their own interests, one can assume that any non-fraudulent arrangement they get into must be their best option, as they see it, or else they would do something else instead.
Arguments relating to whether or not it is tolerable that people should exist for whom this is the best option are besides the point, as the solution to that would be unrelated to surrogacy itself. Treating a symptom, by for instance outlawing the use of foreign surrogates, necessarily makes people worse off by denying them their best choice without actually changing the situation which made it so in the first place. There are many parallels with sweatshop labor, as when American companies bow to pressure to close sweatshops, forcing former employees into prostitution, crime, and starvation.
A very intelligent and thoughtful post. It's often difficult to see the reality that even a horrible situation is sometimes simply better than the even more horrible situation that would exist without the first one.
Sort of sounds from the debate title that SOMEONE doesnt think we feminists are capable of allowing people to make their own decisions. I agree with earlier posts, its hard to exploit someone who is informed, willing and, more than that, happy to do something.
But that picture of surrogate mothers assumes that the mother is of the same class, financial standing, etc. as the biological parents. As far as I know, this is almost never the case. People agree to some pretty awful things when their circumstances are dire enough, and this kind of financial coercion merits some thought and attention, especially if it disproportinately effects women.
Just because the woman who can afford to compensate a surrogate and pay for the insemination/IVF is going to be higher class, and wealthier people are less likely to give back in ways that actually require physical sacrifice, does not mean they are not equal. Most studies and interviews with surrogates reveal that they become friends with the biological families.
If you want to make the argument that it is exploitative, it will probably help to look at the population that is doing most of the surrogacy work. If surrogacy is truly a choice and done simply out of kindness or belief that it's an important cause, then why does the burden invariably fall on lower class women of color? You could find the statistics and make the argument that way. And then emphasize the medical risks and impact on women's bodies. It's not that these women have no choice or are necessarily being coerced, but their social and economic position is being exploited (taken advantage of) for generally white upper class couples who can afford the procedures.
Actually, it's usually white, older military wives in this country. They can't get a steady job, since they move around, and they want to be with their kids anyway, so it's a good way to make money. Plus, the military covers their pregnancy care completely which means they don't have to work that out with the parents.
Upper-class women are more likely to have careers that will suffer if they take maternity leave or time off in pregnancy; if they don't work and they really want to be pregnant again, they simply have the child themselves since they can afford it. Most American surrogates are stay-at-home moms so they don't have to worry about the maternity leave, and can't afford to take care of another child themselves. Also, I think there is a real stigma among the upper-class regarding any charitable action that actually requires effort, instead of just money.
Do you have a source for this demographic information? It would be interesting to see. A few years ago I took a graduate course on gender and social justice, and the stats on this topic listed then showed that surrogate mothers were generally poor white women, but outsourcing surrogacy to developing nations was on the rise. I would be interested in current data. The only two women I've personally known who were surrogates were both white, but one was very poor and did it for money so she could stay at home with her father who needed constant care, and a friend who did it for her gay brother and his partner.
See my comment below, your first anecdote is not typical or representative, though your second is more so.
You could look into the way they are treated when they disagree with the adopting parents about medical care or their diet while pregnant. How are they treated when giving birth? Is she treated differently when she donates her egg as well as her womb? Is that adoption or is that surrogacy? How are her feelings addressed during the pregnancy, birthing and after? Is she allowed to have feeling of sadness and loss? How is she talked about during the process? For contrast look at how a surrogate mother is viewed when she wants to keep the baby or have visitation. Remember what Men's Rights say about a man's right to a womans body and then contrast that to how the surrogate is talked about.
Yeah, stick to discussing third world mothers, not ones here. Women here have other choices and are doing it because they like being pregnant and want to help people while still being able to be stay-at-home moms. Most of them are military wives who want to help contribute to their family. They tend to be older women, with several children previously, who know how they will respond to pregnancy Plus, the law here quite clearly gives the surrogate control over her body until she gives birth-- she agrees to a contract to not smoke or drink and to see a doctor, but it's not like if she develops a severe medical condition the law will tell her she can't abort or she won't still be reimbursed for her time up until then. Indeed, in some states they have problems with women going back on their contracts and not relinquishing the child to it's biological parents, and the state ALWAYS sides with the surrogate unless the law states otherwise. They are well informed going into it and most of them seem to just genuinely want to help people and enjoy the feeling of pregnancy and birth. It's unlikely to turn into an overvaluation of the woman's uterus in this country, the biological parents have almost no say except with what is outlined in the contract that the woman consented to.
This is s stupid assignment, giving you random roles... Ask your teacher if you can broaden it. Talk about third-world women as surrogates, but I think a better related subject is egg donation, which targets young, poor women and is painful, dangerous, and they don't tend to tell the women what they are really getting into.
Women here have other choices and are doing it because they like being pregnant and want to help people while still being able to be stay-at-home moms.
This seems like an awfully broad generalization. It's kind of hard to believe that women who find themselves in a tough financial situation in America aren't also acting as surrogates.
Nope. They don't tend to meet the health requirements and even if they did there are other jobs that pay more for less danger, and wealthy parents don't tend to want impoverished or desperate women who are only doing it for the money. They especially don't want anyone in an uncertain financial situation who might wind up homeless or skimping on food. This is their child, and the woman's health and safety is very important to them.
Obviously it's true that the biological parents want to make sure the surrogate has good nutrition, but in some cases they provide for this. The claim that in America surrogate mothers never do it because they need the money seems pretty unlikely. And if it's all because of the warm fuzzy feelings and religious beliefs then why aren't they doing it for free? I've been pregnant and experienced childbirth, and believe me, it ain't that fun.
It isn't fun for YOU. Some people genuinely have easy births and enjoy it, as the data I posted below shows. They take compensation because it is still a significant time and energy commitment on their part, but it's more like... well, like an artist devoting a lot of time and energy into a great work of art for their town, and the town paying them. The artist probably is doing it more because he loves art and wants to share it with the world than because of the money, but he does still want the money. Or how a doctor can work in a low-income area and charge much less than she is worth, because she wants to help people, but still not work for free even if she could survive without pay.
Honestly, the compensation does NOT equal the true amount these women are giving, and all the data suggests they are doing this primarily for altruistic, not financial reasons.
Right, I just think that any area where you have a large class divide between the people offering a service and those utilizing it, and where a very intimate use of the female body is in play, and where outsourcing to extremely poor populations is on the rise, needs some careful consideration. Saying that all surrogate mothers freely choose this occupation as a sort of recreational thing seems like a bit of an overstatement to me. I think it's good to look at all of the populations that choose this and consider the dynamics in play. Perhaps if the majority of surrogates in this country are really religious, they view reproductive labor as one of the more appropriate types of labor for women to engage in. Perhaps they think pregnancy and child birth are lovely and fun because they've been taught all their lives that this is the highest calling for women and that women acheive their only true fulfillment by producing and raising children (my mom totally believe this, puke). I'm not saying this is the case for all surrogate mothers, but examining the cultural attitudes and structures that undergird a practice like this is more useful than making a blanket statement that all surrogate mothers freely choose it and enjoy it.
I think you should be able to win the debate even if you discuss women in America, as well.
Do some research that asks questions like:
1. Do wealthy women ever become surrogate mothers?
2. What are the reasons women give for becoming surrogates? (I'm guessing it would be a combination of really needing the cash, plus wanting to help others)
3. Look up the wage gap. (I think it's 77c, 67c, 55c for whites, blacks, latinas respectively) Find out the demographics of surrogates. Any correlations? Brianna G didn't cite any studies about the fact that "most of them are military wives ... who are doing it because they like being pregnant" Is simply 'liking stay-at-home motherhood and pregnancy' really the _only_ factor here? Or are there larger forces at play?
4. Also, if the military wife thing turns out to be true, what sort of political climate were these women raised in? Do they tend to be religious, socially conservative? Anti-feminist? Or is there some undercurrent of uber-liberal military wives that I've never heard of? (the one surrogate I know was indeed a military wife, but only years after she was a surrogate.) Does the fact that a woman is raised in a family that tells her that her primary role as woman is that of baby-machine and caregiver?
5. Define 'coercion by poverty' and 'freely chosen' - does poverty make a choice any less free?
6. Bring up counterarguments - for example, that men donate sperm. - then use your powers of logic to form a counter argument to your counterargument - you could briefly include egg donation.
Remember - it's a debate. You're not trying to find the Truth, necessarily. You're trying to win an argument. - although you may find the Truth in your search for a great argument, that's not the purpose of the assignment.
It's not a stupid assignment. Debating skills and logic are a necessity if you're going to have a philosophy.
I think you could potentially put forth a really good argument. At the end of the class, you might be able to state your real opinion. Being able to argue a point you don't believe in is a skill and is incredibly useful when you want to defend the points you actually do believe in.
Good advice, joyfuldino.
When given debate roles, inevitably there would be the one or two people who would look aghast with indignation - "But I don't _agree_ with my topic! How am I supposed to argue in favor of something I don't _agree_ with"
To which the teacher would reply:
If you're not confident enough in your reasoning to argue a point you don't agree with, how can you be sure of anything you do believe in?
In my experience, quite a few people (including myself) have changed their minds after researching a topic extensively.
IMO, if your philosophy never changes (and you don't want it to), you're doing something wrong.
It's the same response from students in my Philosophy classes when they have to explain an argument they don't agree with and then list pros and cons. As if it's impossible to see the strengths of arguments you disagree with, or learn anything by researching them.
1. Sometimes, but rarely-- usually for friends and relatives. This probably has more to do with the fact that wealthier people as a whole are less likely to give time to help people, and more likely to give money. Also, many of these women describe it as a means to self-actualization, which a wealthy woman could get through a fulfilling job that a middle-class woman is not sufficiently educated for.
2. Mostly helping others, enabling parenthood, feeling self-actualized, enjoying motherhood and pregnancy, and empathy with the infertile couple. The financial bit is kind of an afterthought to most women who are accepted as surrogates.
3. They're lower middle class, mostly. Not poor. Mostly white, employed, educated. Lots of teachers and nurses. They don't need the money, though it would be nice.
4. Admittedly, most are Christian, though not super conservatively so. They are usually anti-abortion but not fundamentalists, as the fundamentalists dislike surrogacy as it confuses the lines of paternity and it's 9 months where the woman is pregnant with a child that is not her husband's. And if they truly feel self-actualized and happy while pregnant, plus they are employed elsewhere so it's not like they really believe they are good for nothing else, who are we to judge?
5. See below, these women are not poor.
And agomez, please don't try to associate egg donation with sperm donation, egg donation is dangerous, painful, and has long-term side effects. Surrogacy in the US at least is only done by women who meet stringent physical and mental health requirements, where anyone who is genetically healthy can donate eggs, even young homeless women. You really can't look at US surrogacy data and say, that's exploitative, unless you are prepared to reenact the crazy feminists of the Handmaid's Tale who sided with the fundamentalist Christians in believing women need freedom FROM, not freedom TO. You should definitely stick to investigating Indian surrogacy agencies.
Here is a link to a newsweek article that highlighted the military wife angle. I belieive it said that there were not good stats on who is doing this, so I don't know that you can cite anything on that.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/129594
Here is the part that I always struggle with. There is work that you choose because you love it, and that is clearly not exploitation. But there are lots of jobs that people take simply because they need money. Janitors, ice road truck drivers, fast food cook, bikini waxer, bank tellers, coal miners... no matter what the job, lots of people hate their work (those were just examples to provide variety, not editorializing on the quality of those jobs), are subject to humiliating experiences, even danger, but they have chosen it because it pays them the most, offers health insurance, is the only thing their education level qualified them for, whatever. At what point does the work become exploitation?
This is a question with absolutely no snark. I truly wonder about this.
A couple people asked me about my data.
These are the major studies I could find and their results:
"Typically the women were in their late twenties, most often married, and having an average of two children, raised int he Christian Protestant faith, and having two years of postsecondary education" Source
"The women had a mean age of 28 years and a mean of 2.0 children. The mean number of years of formal education was 13. A ratio of five to one of the women were anglo. Of the sample, four to one were currently married and three to one had full-time employment... Enjoyment of the pregnant state and the desire to be pregnant again were cited by the vast majority of surrogate mothers. These women uniformly described their previous pregnancies as relatively easy. Being pregnant seemed to provide an opportunity to feel special and to feel a sense of wholeness. They also felt empathy for childless couples, an empathy increased by prior contact with an infertile couple's pain and by the importance of children in their own lives. A third motivation was the desire to do something remarkable with their lives and make a unique contribution. Many perceived being a surrogate as providing a sense of accomplishment. Financial gain was also cited but consistently was not the primary motivating factor." Source
"The mean age of the entire group was 26. Fifty percent were married, and 26% were single. Seventy-five percent were mothers... As a group, they were predominantly white and either Catholic or Protestant... The average educational level was 13.3 years. Fifty percent had one or more years of college. Approximately 71% were employed (at least part-time), and 20% were either teachers or nurses. Their mean income level was above $24,000 per year. Twenty-five percent had combined family incomes above $35,000 per year. [This includes women judged to be financially desperate.] On average, applicants had been interested in being a surrogate for 1 1/2 years. Seventy-five percent wished to meet the couple... The "average" surrogate emerges as a white mother with a fair amount of education and income. As a group, they cannot be described as destitute or living in poverty, and do not need the fee being paid them for basic survival. On average, they do not report being under serious financial pressure." Source
This is also an article discussing the sharp increase recently in military wives serving as surrogates: Military Wives Cashing In As Surrogate Mothers
In the US and other developed nations, surrogates are usually not truly impoverished, as they would most likely not meet the health requirements and would not have health insurance. None of this is to say this is also true for surrogates in third-world nations, of course, but a surrogate in a developed nation is not being taken advantage of, and I'm sure she would be horribly insulted that you would take her generous act in that way. They are doing this for self-actualization, not for cash.
Interesting stats. Thanks for finding those.
Your conclusion that if a woman isn't destitute she's not vulnerable to financial coercion is perplexing. 75% of the women in the second study had combined family incomes below $35,000 per year--that number can look an awful lot like poverty, especially for a family with a couple of kids. Your stats just don't support your assertion that we don't need to be worried about surrogacy as exploitation in this country.
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