I can't give you the specific page, since I'm at the dorms and my copy of "John Adams" by David Mccullough is at home, but I just rediscovered something that pissed me off about that book. It's actually the sole reason I stopped reading it -- the simple statement lost all my respect for Mccullough as a writer and author.
Now in writing a book about John Adams, Abigail Adams is bound to come up. They're like peanut butter and jelly -- you can't mention one without mentioning the other. Anyway, in the book the famous 'remember the ladies' line is mentioned.
Mccullough quickly says that Abigail Adams didn't really mean that she wanted rights for women -- he says that she was joking.
Actually, I've found several websites saying that she was joking. Was she? I don't believe she was. Yes she might've realized that it wasn't likely to happen, but was it a joke? No! Wishful thinking? Maybe. But I'm sure she wasn't laughing. After all, she was a strong, intelligent woman who was literally running a household and a farm at the same time while her husband was away, a husband she wasn't just a wife to, but an equal to in terms of mind?
Abby wasn't joking. Don't suggest she was. By saying she was joking, one can dismiss her intelligence and ferocity, and somehow make her more "feminine" or docile. By saying she was joking, you can undermine how political women were then. By saying she was joking, one gives the upperhand to John Adams in that marriage, when so much evidence points to them considering each other their equal.
I really don't understand why Abigail Adams would mention in so many letters, both to her husband and other people, that women should get a slice of the independance pie. She wasn't a comedian. She wasn't spreading a good joke. She was expressing her (practical) opinions. Deal with it, Mr. Mucculough. Maybe you should write a biography on someone other than men.


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I've not read the the David McCullough work, but I was able to find the passage via Amazon I think you're referring to. Writes McCullough, "[Abigail Adams] was not being entirely serious. In part, in her moment of springtime gaity, she was teasing him" (105).
I think you're extrapolating something that McCullough did not write or even intend. McCullough never said that AA was "joking" about women's rights. In fact, AA did speak tongue-in-cheek in her famous "Remember the ladies" dialogue. She writes that "If particular care and attention is not paid to the Laidies, we are determined to foment a Rebelion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any Laws in which we have no voice, or Representation." AA clearly did not mean for John to take her threat seriously and indeed, he did not. "I cannot but laugh" at "your extraordinary Code of Laws," he replied, jokingly calling it the "Despotism of the Peticoat." The only way a man even as indulgent as Adams could deal with women's politicism was by refusing to take it seriously.
And AA wasn't necessarily asking for a "slice of the independence pie." She never explicitly asked that the vote be given to women. Rather, she asked that the nation's new code of laws include protection for women from unscrupulous spouses. While AA demonstrated a most unusual political awareness for a woman of her time, she never again agitated for women's inclusion in the political process with John after the "Remember the Ladies" exchange or elsewhere (outside of personal correspondences with her lady friends). She advocated girls' education as did many Republicans of the time, but by most accounts, AA was a typical eighteenth century woman. Sure, she ran the family farm, but she did so reluctantly, often writing to John and asking him to come home and resume management again over it.
I don't mean to diminish the feminist legacy of AA in anyway, but has a historian, I feel compelled to point these things out.
Amen.
Abigail Adams was a woman of admirable spirit and independence, but she was still a woman of her times. While she was progressive for the era, she was not a "feminist" in the modern sense of the word-- or even in the sense that it is applied to nineteenth century suffragettes.
The women's rights movement had not even started to coalesce by the time of the American Revolution. Female suffrage was not being seriously discussed even in progressive circles. Though A. Adams clearly was concerned for the welfare of women, she, like most of her contemporaries, accepted a mostly apolitical role.
We are all complex beings, deeply intertwined with the times we live in. To presume that Abigail Adams must have seriously advocated the politicization of women to not be considered "docile" and an "equal" is an unfortunate devaluation of the truth, as well as of the courage it took for Adams to advocate for the measures she did in the eighteenth century context.
The "amen" was directed at Rachel, sorry.
She also wrote, "I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic."