I know it is rare that I am the only one who feels a certain way about something, yet in this situation I certainly feel unique and am hoping to find out that I am not the only one so deeply affected.
A little background: I grew up fairly active in the church, a Disciples of Christ church. Within the denomination the churches can be either more liberal or more conservative, it varies with each individual church. However my youth minister was definitely conservative. Through him, various camps led by the more conservative adults, and conferences we attended, I heard the "don't have sex until you are married" speech many times and it really stuck with me. I am pretty sure I heard it some in college too, and definitely from some people I sought out to talk to about my issues with sex.
I first had sex when I was 17, with my boyfriend of 7 months who was not a Christian. I felt so extremely guilty but not enough to stop having sex. I realize now I was fighting with having natural human desires and pleasures but also wanting to please God. For the next 8ish months we were together I kept going back and forth on whether what we were doing was ok, that I wanted to stop, that I wanted to do it, etc. A few years later I had sex with someone else, and although I questioned it I didn't feel as bad about it. Then 2 years after that I met my (now) husband. He was in seminary when we started dating and he was much more liberal than I was used to. Eventually we did decide to have sex, even before we were engaged (and he's a minister!! GASP!!). Even then I still questioned if what we were doing was ok, I would constantly ask him and constantly wonder if I was somehow disappointing God again. Plus there was also the added issue that I had had sex before and he hadn't. "Oh wait isn't the man supposed to be more experienced?" is what I would tell myself. At the same time I enjoyed sex and I wanted sex, there was just the small part of me that always wondered if I was ok.
We have now been married for 8 months and our sex life is not really great. Currently, I feel like a horrible person whenever we do have sex. That somehow I am a bad person or that I am doing something wrong. I tell myself: sex is bad, wanting sex is bad, enjoying sex is bad, initiating sex is bad, and at the same time not pleasing my husband is bad. I don't understand where this is all coming from. Have I really had much deeper issues with sexuality that I was just able to put in to a more simplistic "oh it's just b/c I feel bad for having sex before marriage?" Shouldn't my issues with sex be over and done with now that I am married? I don't understand and it is really frustrating.
Luckily I have a very caring, extremely understanding husband who is not trying to push me into having sex in any way. Things would be much worse if he wasn't like that. There for awhile I thought it was a physical issue b/c sex hurt and b/c of that sometimes I couldn't go long enough for him. So is part of my fear that I won't be good enough for him?
I feel like I put all this guilt on myself. I love reading and learning about sexuality on here but I can't seem to apply what I am learning to myself. It's been almost 6 years since I've first had sex and not only do I want to let go of that guilt, I'd like to understand what's going on with myself now and be able to let that go as well. My husband and I used to be so sexually compatible and it would be really nice to have that back again!
I really hope other people have had similar experiences. If so, please share, and I am also open to any and all advice people have! (And I am currently in counseling working on this and some of my other depression/anxiety related issues. I just felt like it was time I got support from more than just her and my husband)


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Hi Chechelle,
It seems you're handeling this quite well.
Getting professional help, in combination with a wonderful husband is a good start.
The depression may be interfering with your sex drive and/or your sense of self worth. On the other hand, anti-depressants are known to suppress your libido.
I guess you should get yourself out of the 'must-do-right-framework'. Sounds a bit self-defeating, doesn't it?
I was raised in a fairly moderate religious environment, though my parents did drag myself and my two sisters who a very conservative Christian church which preached abstaining from sex. I attended it for a few years before I left in disgust and became a member of a much more liberal faith group.
I think what concerned me most is how this conservative church romanticized the idea of virginity. One of my friends from that congregation some years later became engaged and attached some kind of purity mystique to the idea that he and his soon-to-be wife would both be virgins on their wedding night. And while to some extent I can understand how that might be appealing in theory, I doubt it was a particularly pleasurable experience for the both of them. My first time certainly was not. It was awkward, fumbling, and embarrassing because neither of us knew what we were doing, really.
I can't imagine there would be much sense or romance in advancing an agenda where a lack of experience and context meant something very beneficial rather than detrimental. If that were the case, then there is something pure about an airline pilot who has never had any experience in the air or a surgeon who has never operated on a patient before.
I can't really offer good advice on the psychological aspects of your problems, but something else jumped out at me: you said that sex hurts and you sometimes can't go long enough for your husband. This is my experience as well. I've been having (or attempting) regular sex with the same partner for 5 years and this still happens to me, because I have vaginismus. If you're still having pain, there really could be a physical component and I encourage you to check out online resources and consult a doctor.
It sounds as though you are going to have to really work to redefine how you view the act of sex.
Both my SO and I grew up somewhat religious and were definitely told to wait until marriage. But both of us grew to really, really resent the way that religion tried to control this aspect of our lives. So sex before marriage became this great, rebellious FU to patriarchal religion: the more we enjoyed it, the more we had "won." We were both kind of bummed when we got married, but it turned out that our feelings about having sex, the original desire for it, hasn't changed at all.
Therapy will probably help, but I'll tell you how I came to grips with sexual desire. I love who I am. I love my SO. I want to feel good and I want to make him feel good. I also want to be as close as physically possible to him. Sex accomplishes this.
Another way I've looked at it: The universe is big. Huge. There are stars and galaxies even beyond our imaginations. According to most religions, God is in charge of all of this, the movement of the galaxies, the way the individual parts of the whole universe and all of the stars and all of the planets of those stars and all of the beings on those planets. Really, God has a lot going on, so I doubt that the timing of how (at His perspective) two microscopic specks decide to show their love for one another, before or after a ritual, is probably of the least of his worries.
But I'm agnostic, so I might have that perspective all wrong.
I am a liberal Christian, and I have long been fascinated by sexuality and the Christian church.
It seems to me that some of the problem stems from the emphasis within Christianity rather than the doctrine itself. Even if one accepts the doctrines of Christian sexual morality -- i.e. that pre-marital relations are forbidden, etc. -- there is a distinct problem in the way these doctrines are taught.
There is so much emphasis on what a healthy Christian sexuality ISN'T, and no mention of what a healthy Christian sexuality IS. Pastors and Priests spend so much time speaking about what is forbidden that they tend to neglect that which is permitted under their doctrines. This can leave married couples with an extremely distorted impression of Christian sexuality within marriage, and can cause many of the problems that the OP has encountered.
There has recently been some change in this, at least among a couple of the more prominent Protestant pastors. Mark Driscoll, an edgy conservative Calvinist pastor out of Seattle, recently did a relatively explicit series on Christian sexuality and the Song of Solomon. Ed Young, Jr., a conservative Baptist mega-church pastor out of Dallas, issued a one-week "sex challenge" to his married congregants.
This is not to say that one must accept of the tenets Christian sexual morality -- I certainly don't -- only that those that do could have much healthier married relationships if Pastors adopted a more balanced teaching of sexuality within Christianity.
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I'm not Christian, so my perspective is about social pressure only- but might still be helpful to you. When I read your story, it doesn't strike me that the problem is you're guilty about having had sex before marriage. The problem seems to be that your upbringing equated sex with guilt and being wrong. If that's all you're taught, how could you expect yourself to just turn that off once you're married? The message is still there. Sex still seems shameful. I had a similar issue when I got pregnant with my son. I had been married for several years, I was fully an adult, etc- I got pregnant under the most societally-approved conditions possible. But I still felt weird going out in public pregnant, because I had spent so many years learning that smart girls don't get pregnant. It felt shameful to go around with a pregnant belly, and even though I was a decade past girlhood and legally married, I still felt like someone was going to call me a slut.
My point is, that this kind of conditioning is powerful, and a marriage certificate isn't a silver bullet or any other kind of magic. Be kind to yourself as you work through your feelings about sex. Those feelings are a logical consequence of your upbringing, and you're not the only one in your situation.
I was pretty much going to write this, but you beat me to it and good analysis.
I was brought up similarily, and it took me a while to get past the conditioning, but it is very possible, hard, but you can do it! I'd say, talk it out more with your partner. If he's a more liberal pastor, he might more informed on any spriritual aspects of the conditioning; as well, if possible, seeing a therapist or someone with a specialization in conditioning therapy together could be a good idea.
PS, nowhere in the Bible does it say that sex or wanting sex is bad while married, so it's a-okay. Good luck!
I was pretty much going to write this, but you beat me to it and good analysis.
I was brought up similarily, and it took me a while to get past the conditioning, but it is very possible, hard, but you can do it! I'd say, talk it out more with your partner. If he's a more liberal pastor, he might more informed on any spriritual aspects of the conditioning; as well, if possible, seeing a therapist or someone with a specialization in conditioning therapy together could be a good idea.
PS, nowhere in the Bible does it say that sex or wanting sex is bad while married, so it's a-okay. Good luck!
Like SociologicalMe and Radically-Yours said, there's no quick fix for years of social conditioning. According to Paul, even connubial sex is dirty (he felt the celibate life was the only truly sanctified one, and marriage was for those too weak to follow the true path - see Corinthians). That kind of pressure requires a steady, gentle push the other way. My relationship with the Lord is an uneasy one, so I may not give the best advice. Keep seeing your therapist, and ask your gyno about the physical pain. But this problem, being in part a spiritual problem, may require more a spiritual solution than a temporal one. Try speaking with a pastor who isn't your husband from a more conservative congregation - I bet he (or she. but mostly he) has dealt with this before and might have some advice in breaking down the walls your mind and body have built round sex. Is it the sex now that is shameful? Or the knowledge of sex past? Personally, I'd also spend some quality time meditating on the Song of Solomon - IMO the most beautiful book in the Bible, and particularly relevant to your current issue.