hey all,
I had a very distressing conversation with my mother this weekend when I went home from college to visit. My mother thinks that I am a lesbian because I am going to a science institute where there is a 6 to 1 guy to girl ratio, and after a month of being here I still don't have a boyfriend. According to her there is only one possible reason why that is occurring, it has to be because I am sexually attracted to girls. Now I am going to say first and foremost that I find nothing wrong with being a lesbian. Some of my best friends are lesbians and I love them to death. But I am not one. I am straight. I like men, a lot. I am just really picky and haven't found a guy who I consider to be worth my time yet. How do I explain to my (not feminist and ashamed that her daughter is one) mother? What do I say that lets her know that I do really like guys, not girls, I just don't want to date any of them right now?


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I'm guessing that you've already told your mother that you're straight.
Beyond that, I don't think there are any magic words you can use to convince her when she has it set in her mind that she's right. Or else she's just passive-aggressively trying to get you into a relationship already.
It sounds as though you just might have to deal with her speculation until you "prove" to her that you're straight by having a boyfriend. However, don't let this pressure you into relationships that you don't want.
Maybe it's not such a horrible thing that she thinks you're a lesbian. I'm not suggesting you lie to her or not tell her you're straight, but if she really believes that you're gay, it might soften her homophobia.
actually, my mom never went to college. Neither did my dad. I turned eight the year that my mom got her GED. My mom doesn't get it that I'm going to school because I want a career. She has gotten it into her head that the only reason I am going to college is to find a husband, and that I will drop the "career" nonsense once I find the right guy. I think that it mostly stems from her lack of understanding that women can be successful career women and still have a family too. But either way I don't want her questioning my sexual orientation just because I don't have a boyfriend
A! The famous MRS Degree! Puke.
How about telling her something like this...
"Hey Mom, I know you're just trying to look out for me and make sure I'm happy in college, and I really appreciate your concern. I think you're a little off base in assuming that my lack of boyfriend means I'm a lesbian, or even that not having a boyfriend is necessarily a problem. Weren't you (or your straight friends) ever single for a while in college?
Yeah, there are a lot of guys at my school... but just because there are a lot of them doesn't mean I'm willing to date just any one! I don't want to just be in a relationship, I want to be in a relationship with a guy who is good for me, and I haven't found that person yet. Plus, it's still early in the year! If I had just met someone a few weeks ago and already had a committed boyfriend, wouldn't you be a little concerned that I was moving really fast without getting to know a guy? And on top of all that, school work is challenging and I'm busy making friends.
"When or if I find a guy who I really connect with, I'll be sure to let you know. But until then, please don't bother me about who I'm dating. I know you're just trying to look out for me, but I think the best person to decide whom to date and when is me."
I'd focus on the fact that you didn't go to college to get dates, but to learn. If she wants to turn that into homophobia that's her own prejudice. I'd consistently turn the conversation away from the debate over your sexuality- I don't see anything fruitful coming out of that, but I do see the potential to reinforce her ideas about lesbians and compromise your own feminist beliefs. It's hard to teach by example that you see nothing wrong with lesbianism when you're spending so much time contesting the idea that you might be one. Back away from that controversy, explain that you've already told her as much as you're going to on the topic, and that she's free to disbelieve you if she feels like it (because you can't control that anyway). Then talk about how involved you are in classes and other aspects of college, about how you're investing money and time into getting your degree (and not an Mrs.), and explain that it's hurtful when she puts so much emphasis on dating.
It sounds like she's pretty old-fashioned, if she's thinking that the purpose (or even a purpose) of going to college is to get a man. So I suggest that you fight old-fashioned fire with old-fashioned fire - my grandparents used to have a saying about girls going to technical schools/science institutions that "the odds are good, but the goods are odd." (Meaning the guys that went there were the 1950's equivalent of computer geeks.) While personally I think it's a little mean to refer to guys at science institutions as "goods," and as "odd" goods at that, you have to deliver the message that you think she'll understand. So next time she makes a crack about you being lesbian, just bust out with "the odds are good, but the goods are odd." She'll get the picture.
Just say they are a bunch of nerds that would rather spend time with their calculators than with a women.
Then laugh with her about 'boys and their toys'.
And bam! Mother/daughter bonding time can commence.
Serious potential to backfire, here. This could turn into a discussion of how she's bad at flirting or something.
All you have to do is point out one dude the mom knows that spends all day in front of the TV, or in the garage working in his shop, or riding on the lawn mower, the guy with all the latest black berries, game systems and all that.
And then say she cannot compete with integrated circuit chips.
Heck, it would be a good time to start blaming porn.
The key do dodging claims of lesbianism (in this case*) to to go after the dudes. And rmanning already said she has high standards.
Those dudes are so boring, the laugh at their own math jokes.
Hey girl, do you want to take 'f' to the 'x'?
*this is pragmatic, not ideological advice.
you know the funny thing is though that I would rather spend time with my computer than with most guys too. My social life consists of going over to someones place and sitting in the same room with them while we are all on computers. Oh and I make math jokes and math references before I've even had coffee in the mornings. So, its not just the guys who do that, its the girls too
How does that match up with the somewhat lighthearted possibilities I am suggesting to the OP?
She wants to assure her mom that she likes dude. Making it about the specific dudes at Generic Tech University means she does not have to explain a hollow social life or inept social skills.
Rebekah is the OP. But what I think you were trying to say is use the stereotypes and silliness that her mom already has in her head against her, right? Like if you say, "but Mom, all the boys are too nerdy and just into their silly techy toys!" then the mom will understand because of course boys like those kinds of things. I read your post as more of a joke than actual advice though. Because I don't see how that will help in the long run or help any kind of real interaction with her mother.
It was a little of pick your fights, a little use mom's preconceptions and a little comedy for whoever would enjoy it.
She already told her mom she was not a lesbian, but the concern persist... she told her mom she had high standards in men but the concern persist...
Aside from leaking a sex tape I don't really know what rebekah can do to convince her mom... so write this one off. You have a life time to engage and all that.
Work the high standards angle. Have some fun with it.
Heck in Alaska there are a lot of guys and the saying goes that for women, the odds are good, but the goods are odd.
Work the same concept.
I am the op, the name that shows up when I post is different from what shows up when I comment. I'd love for my posts to post under my real name however they do not
ugh, that is intended for steven
Sorry about that... I guess the r in rmanning should have been a hint...
that's alright, I really would like to know how to fix that though
This happened to my girlfriend, shortly before we met. Her primary focus had been on getting her master's degree and working simultaneously, leaving her not much time for a relationship. We met shortly after she attained her M.A. and was finally able to have the time to date.
I think what surprised me most about the DC area was hearing woman after woman tell me how difficult it was to find a decent guy and how part of it was due to the fact that there were far more women than men. In your situation, where the reverse is true, I would just inform her that your studies and your career are more important right now. (Don't let me put words in your mouth).
Clearly your mother is just going to think what she wants to. Tell her you're not in school to get your MRS degree and school/academics is your focus right now.
I'd, personally, make some joke about going to Lilith Fair or an Ani Concert* or something because it's my sense of humor, but I would crack some sort of joke or light hearted comment.
*Seen her 4 times and LOVE HER, btw.
You should prolly go have lots and lots of sex, get preggers, have a shotgun wedding, and drop out.
Of course I'm being sarcastic.
I actually had this problem (sort of) when I was in high school. I went to an Arts school where all the guys were kinda geeky, gay, or schlubs. And that wasn't my type (at the time -- now I'm dating an uber video gamer lol!!! Just to show you that you can't judge a book by it's cover!!!), so I didn't really date AT ALL. I was introverted and didn't get out much either, so that prolly helped. MY mom and several aunts kept asking me if I was gay, but eventually they stopped. I repeatedly told them I wasn't. Since you've already told your mother the same, I think the only thing to do is keep saying it.
Its not that I am not attracted to the guys here, I just don't want to date them.
Tell your mom you have different priorities right now and that focusing on a career is more important. If she has been through a divorce or a close relative or friend has been, bring up the fact it's more important to have that career so if something does happen (divorce, death, he runs out on you) you will have a way to support yourself. I'm not sure how many times I heard from my mom about someone she worked with or through a friend that someone wound up divorced or the spouse ran out (heck, there was a case where the wife ran out and the husband was left with the kids and everything) and the spouse that remained was left with the expenses. You never know what is going to happen and it's great to always be prepared for yourself.
I would communicate to her that you have rather high standards in the men you date. Don't let her convince you that you need to lower the standards. There are guys out there who will meet the requirements. Let her know that as little contact as you have had with these guys in your classes, they aren't your type. I'm not sure if I would give her a little ray of hope if you were to say "Who knows, in a couple of months i might like one of them". I'd be worried your mother would get too excited by how you describe her.
I don't get asked this often, but when I do, I like to launch into a spiel on, "are you kidding me?! I don't have TIME to date!" Describe in detail how time-consuming your schoolwork, volunteering, part-time jobs, research, etc., are, and make it as boring to her as possible. (For example, include the minute details of specific math/science exercises and rambly, meandering stories about some irritating obstacle you encountered recently.) Do this every time she asks. I definitely don't get asked this often. :)
This doesn't clear up the problem of convincing her of your heterosexuality or commitment to your degree, but that sounds like a problem far over my head. I gave up on actively seeking my mother's approval a long time ago. She's a Protestant SAHM who never really had a career and started having kids pretty early. I'm an agnostic-atheist getting a 4yr degree in a male-dominated field so I can have an intellectually-stimulating career and provide a cushy life for my future cat-babies (no people-babies for me thanks). So yeah, we get along by just not talking about certain things.
Hey...so my mom is exactly the same way- to the point that she has actually stopped asking me the questions she used to ask me once a month: "Are you sure you're not gay?" and "Do you have a boyfriend yet?" Honestly, you will NEVER convince your mom with words that you're straight, so I'd ignore it. I don't really know where she comes from on the religious spectrum, but my mom expects me to have a boyfriend ASAP and get married ASAP so I can have children. She will NEVER understand that I have different priorities- and while it's unfortunate, it is likely that while you are at this part of your life, your mother will never understand your choices. I know I sound defeated (mainly because I am.)....but it is reality.
she is a religious wing nut, and while I am a christian I don't buy into the whole women must submit to men thing at all
Me too! My mom thinks I've rejected Christianity, however, because I think sex and kissing is OK. Honestly, I'm just starting my first-ever relationship, and I'm actually having a lot of trouble keeping what shes taught me my whole life out of my head- its this terrible battle going on in my head!! But, Rebekah---don't let her comments and thoughts get to you, because they can if you let them. Its really difficult to break away from what she's trying to push on you- but you can definitely do it!!!!!
Just keep telling her: 'The odds are good, but the goods are odd.'
no because then she will start setting me up with her friends sons again. Yes my mother actually does this. She thinks its perfectly okay for her to dictate who I should date and marry
If she's going to go that far, maybe all you can do is dodge the topic to the maximum possible extent (which admittedly may not be much). Or dodge her altogether. If she really wants to push this, there isn't anything you can say that will stop her; she has to be willing to hear what you're telling her. Maybe the only way to keep it to a manageable level is to talk to her less on the whole- like staying out of sight of a charging bull.
Also, combating one stereotype with another just shifts the problem around.
Quite frankly, we shouldn't be supporting a narrow definition of what is acceptable behaviour in the community. Nerds are potentially strong feminist allies because they disregard to a large extent what is supposed to be normal, but if you keep calling them odd they're less likely to be sympathetic.
With parents, while we may love them, we don't neccesarily like them, huh?
A proper response would be: "What's wrong with being a lesbian? Would you love me any less if I were?" and leave it at that. If she answers "yes," then I think it's time to find a new mother.
While I don't get the "you're gay" card, I get the "when are you going to get married so I can have grandchildren to play with?" card a lot.
This time when I was visiting, I jokingly told her that I got someone pregnant. She freaked out, because, of course, babies are only worthy if they're not born out of wedlock.
Do you have a father, or another relative who does understand and can talk to your mother for you? Maybe with another member of family telling your mum that she's misunderstanding you and stressing you out as a result, you might get less antagonism.
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is the funniest thing
I've heard all day. My parents HATE each other with a passion that knows no bounds, and I haven't spoken to my father in over 3 years. And no, none of my relatives understand this at all
Its not that I am not attracted to the guys here, I just don't want to date them.
she is a religious wing nut, and while I am a christian I don't buy into the whole women must submit to men thing at all
When all else fails, I'd push her buttons. (But that's me. I gave up seeking my mother's approval long ago.)
I'd tell her you don't feel the need to date right now because the hook-up opportunities are endless.
(BTW you can change your Display Name to match your User Name under "Edit Profile.")
My mom was the same way. She thought that just because I didn't date much, I must be lesbian. I don't think she changed her mind really until I got married (to a man).
If she starts in on you, I'd firmly explain to her that, "Mom, I'm not a lesbian. I'm a student, and a busy one, and when I meet the right guy, you'll be the first to know." And if she continues to harp on you, just say, "Mom, stop. We already had this conversation, remember? Now, what about..." and change the subject.
I'm sorry but I chuckled a bit at this. It really hit home for me.
I'm an engineering student, femme and conventionally attractive. I am one of 7 girls in the entire department. People constantly ask silly questions like "oh ho ho, I bet you have to fend boys off left and right!" Yeah, right. That is exactly how it works. Honestly, most of us(generally speaking, YMMV) are very othered. Either that or treated 100% like one of the guys either because that's what comes natural or they don't know how to treat us so they just default to what they know.
I just default to quoting PhD comics. "The odds are good, but the goods are odd."
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=8
I also like to emphasize that political/social beliefs are really, really important to me and that I am a minority there in that regard. I haven't met very many feminist men at my department.
You also might want to emphasize how many labs you have, how many hours of homework you do every.single.day. so on and so forth. I just generally like to complain about how time consuming school is though.
Hi anteup,
You could try introducing some of those men to this zine: http://www.nerdling.net/
The editor liked to introduce the occasional feminist messages/points of discussion into the science pop culture that was the main focus. It's a few years old now but if your colleagues get into it it may give them cause for thought occasionally.
p.s. As a fellow scientist I sympathise with your inability to find anyone to discuss social/political issues in that environment. Sometimes it can be hard. As a general rule I'd say that the women in science departments tend to be more interested in that area but not exclusively so. And when you do talk feminist issues with scientists they are more likely to have a logical rather than emotional discussion with you – which I find to be an advantage.