The Tucker Max film I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has drawn a lot of controversy , regarding everything from the subject matter of the film , to the ad campaign . Max and his supporters maintain the protesters are “kooky activists bullying the media into propagating a minority viewpoint” by manipulating his work because they can’t take a joke. All this controversy begs the question, where is your line on comedy? The following are a compilation of responses from various men and women, most of whom belong to Max's intended target demographic.
Carmen Rios, a 19-year-old undergrad, part of Max’s intended target demographic, called the ads “disrespectful and callous.” Dan Wald, in his early 20s, said the ads frustrate him as a man, because “a few men are hurting the whole, hurting our gender and women fear us for it.” Wald called the ads “hate speech that promotes violence.” Ben Siegel, also in his 20s, said the ads “promote violence against women” and “promulgate a dangerous, misogynistic attitude.”
When asked about Max’s response that the activists can’t take a joke, John Foubert, author of The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention , stated, “His [Max’s] dismissal of his statements as being ‘just a joke’ suggest to me that either he is incapable of empathy - or that he has no conscience - both high risk factors for [committing] rape. Either way, women, and people who care about them, should be deeply concerned about this man and his statements.”
Max maintains that he does not promote rape, stating in reference to protesters “Fucking rape sucks…It’s, like, not a joke … But I feel like they’re fucking it up, man, because what they’re doing is really kind of devaluing the seriousness of an actual crime. . . . I mean, the discussion about where consent lies and doesn’t lie is an important one, and should be had, but…that’s never been an issue for me.”
In response, the interviewees pointed to his administered message board, which started a photo-caption contest in which Max’s fans inserted their own slogans in the place of actual protest signs. The photo-shopped signs ranged from “I’m mad cuz no one will rape me” to “Women deserve to call rape ‘surprise sex.’”
Nancy Schwartzman, a young filmmaker, was recently interviewed in Time Out New York ’s “Sex Issue 2009 ” for her work on the short documentary “The Line ,” which explores sexual boundaries and consent . She found the message boards ironic, since men who protest rape culture are seen as lame and either gay, or unable to ‘get laid.’ She pointed out, “If Tucker Max and his crew feel like they have to trick women into sex – either by sneaking up behind them or get them wasted – what does that say about his game? Why can’t he actually get a woman into bed when she’s sober or actually looking at him? Is he that bad when it comes to sex? Seems like it.” Lance, a 26-year-old lawyer, called the film “a sad reminder that insecure men perceive sex as fundamentally adversarial, using Max’s stories of casual sex and nonconsensual activity to remove the perceived ‘gatekeeper’ role from women.”
The ads and Max’s message board aside, the film itself has also drawn sharp criticism . Rios said, “It is clear that the film approaches rape with a humorous lens.” One of Max’s defenders protested on a blog post that dialogue like “Fat girls aren’t real people” is taken out of context. Siegel disagreed, saying “These comments cannot be removed from their context, that context being a mentality of sexism and a tolerance for violence against women.” Schwartzman said, “Most men don’t hate women, and most women don’t hate men, so this kind of film does everyone a disservice by pitting men and women against each other. It makes a minstrel show of masculinity and male behavior.”
Foubert finds Max to be “a pathetically insecure man.” He believes Max says “wildly outlandish” things to get attention and make money, adding “His statements about women make it clear that he hates them and sees them as nothing more than objects. This attitude is very dangerous, because those of us who study rape know that objectification is one of the major underpinnings of rape.” By “reinforcing the objectification of women,” the movie… “makes rape more likely among those” who see it. Foubert unknowingly predicted one of Max’s fans’ behaviors. As reported on True Crime Report , a 21-year-old UConn Student and Max fan was charged with rape and home invasion. Not to say that every Max fan is a rapist, but Siegel pointed out, “the type of person who would pay to see [this film] doesn't consider sexual violence against women from the victim's point of view, nor could they be bothered to take this issue seriously.” Rios agreed, “A lot of jokes can still leave resounding messages with their audiences... if he [Max] thinks a comedy that jokingly allows rape-prone behaviors will not influence his viewers, he is mistaken.” Siegel concluded, “He doesn't seem to understand that…his jokes aren't funny.”
But don't take their word for it. The entire script can be found on the Tucker Max Lies blogspot here:
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/2008/08/download-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell.html
Try not to lose your lunch - if you so choose to read it.
Posted by:
Jerin Alam
Co-Chair, NOW – NYS Young Feminist Task Force
National NOW Young Feminist Task Force
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This ought to be printed on T-shirts and posters and mass distributed: “If Tucker Max and his crew feel like they have to trick women into sex – either by sneaking up behind them or get them wasted – what does that say about his game? Why can’t he actually get a woman into bed when she’s sober or actually looking at him? Is he that bad when it comes to sex? Seems like it.”
Tucker Max is such a dick. I don't even know what else to say about it.
I concur. He's a narcissistic ass who I believe has a very sick point of view. If you have facebook there's a group titled Rape is NOT Funny: I'm Boycotting "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell". Here's the link-->http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=134340476733
I've invited people in my friend's list and already have received a very ugly statement from a frat boy buddy who falls in the category of assholes. Here's the statement--> no matter wherever u lost touch with society(i thought liberalism was bad enough) but feminism is never the answer...
It's one of many that will inevitably darken my wall for the next couple of days but I'm prepared thanks to everyone here at Feministing. Whenever I get nasty anti-feminist comments I usually come on here and remind myself that these jerks really do make up a very small, albeit asshole portion of society.
I love you all!
I don't think Tucker Max hates women. I think he has vagina envy.
wow...I had never heard of this movie until reading about it on here. I went and looked it up on youtube and the trailer is bad enough but than you look at some of the other videos put up there with him promoting and it is just awful. Completely and utterly degrading to all of the people involved men and women. Definitely not going to see this one.
MCCOY MOUNTAIN
ART, FILM, & LITERATURE GUILD OF AMERICA
Ms. Priscilla Painton
Simon & Schuster Editor in Chief
RE: ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, Secretive Tapings of Anal Sex without The Girl’s Consent, Corporate Douchebaggery, and the Epic Failure of I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max's controversial ad campaign. Yeah, that poster on the right says, "Blind Girls Never See You Coming." Va fan culo, indeed.” --http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Dear Ms. Painton,
I and my colleagues in the ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD have a couple questions regarding the direction you are taking Simon and Schuster in. Why are you guys/gals hating on art, literature, culture and America? It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system “The ads were poetic ditties of white text on a black background. Like: "Blind girls never see you coming" and "Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding)."”
“Over at the Washington, D.C., premiere, Max’s video minion ridicules both Vietnamese and African-American women, the former for being employed as a pedicurist, and the latter for having a name he finds funny.”
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Do you enjoy profiting from making fun of Asians and overweight women? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
http://tuckermaxdocuebag.blogspot.com
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com
Does this make you laugh Ms. Painton? It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and CBS and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First. At most it will bring in a few pennies, which will lead everyone to conclude that you and CBS aren’t in it for the money, but just the debauchery and destruction of the culture. As Tucker Max pointed out, the feminist movement empowered women and gave them the right to choose the art they affiliated with and promote. So now, with all the power in your hands, what will you chose on behalf of women all over the world? Please do us proud and choose the right thing.
“The ad campaign for the new flick "I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell" includes slogans like "Deaf Girls Can't Hear You Coming" and "Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!)."”
--http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Why is corporate America, under your direction Ms. Painton, forcing epic “Richard Kelly” fail fart art and film on the common public? Do you also find secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent to be entertaining and titillating art?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system
Let's talk for a sec about something Tucker glamorizes and pretends is funny in his 'book': filming a naked women in his bedroom without her consent. I don't think it's a coincidence that while he's doing this he is coaxing the girl to have anal sex with him, an exploitative act that a guy like him probably especially enjoys.
--http://www.bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-marketing-tucker-max
-- http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/
“OK, we can try anal sex, but I want it to be special and romantic. .... process: I was going to fuck her in the butt and film it without her consent,” -- http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml
Do you and the CBS Corporation find this entertaining? As you know, sodomy is a sin in the Old Testament as is sex out of wedlock and fornication. What is your motivation in working with those who promote and profit from secretive tapings of anal sex?
Do you find such “literature” and “art” to be representative of Simon and Schuster and CBS?
“In one of his most notorious pieces, he convinces a girl to have anal sex and tapes it without her consent.” -- http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/08/tucker_max/
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like "get away from me or I'm going to carve another fuck hole in your torso", what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. --http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
Ms. Painton—do you find that entertaining? Is it good literature? Do you consider demeaning stories about having sex with midgets good literature? Do you consider it good business to make fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities so as to bolster your bottom line?
What is driving you to publish Assholes Finish First? What are your motivations? Money? America does not want Tucker Max, as demonstrated this past weekend at the boxoffice. Do you find these signs to be entertaining/a good CBS investment?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Is Tucker Max’s fan base the group that Simon & Schuster is seeking to serve under your leadership?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/14/tucker-max-too-sexist-for-ad-space/
It seems that America believes otherwise as Richard Kelly and Tucker Max’s I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has proven to be a colossal artistic and financial failure.
"Not faring so well, however, was the Tucker Max adaptation I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which took in $369,000 from 120 theaters with a well-below-average $3,075 per-screen average." -- http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEdXykfeBDXwhe
So Priscilla, please tell us about your douchetastic love affair with Tucker Max and his fart art. Does it really titillate you as a woman and feminist? Say it isn’t so! Is this good Simon and Schuster/CBS branding? Why did your massive billion-dollar corporation reward Tucker with a $300,000 advance?
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max's controversial ad campaign. Yeah, that poster on the right says, "Blind Girls Never See You Coming." Va fan culo, indeed.” --http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Does CBS and Simon & Schuster approve of registering fake email accounts to promote stories regarding secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent?
” The lack of traditional plugs forced Max to promote his web site and book via the internet. He would create fake e-mail accounts and then bombard entertainment sites and news aggregators with links to his material.” -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
For this, your billion-dollar corporation rewarded Tucker with a $300,000 advance.
“Max may have to concentrate on his agent style business moving forward because he's running out of material. He's received a $300,000 advance for a second version of his drunken, sexual exploits – a tome that will contain the stories not ripe enough for the first cut.” -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
Are you proud of Simon & Schuster and your corporation? Funding and encouraging hype, failure, douchebaggery, debauchery, lies, secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent, and making fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities. Is that what attracts you to Tucker Max, or is it the epic artistic and financial failure of his film?
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_hope_they_serve_beer_in_hell/
“I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell fails in its attempts at raunchy humor, and Tucker Max comes across so unlikable and outrageous that the film's inevitable story arc feels forced.”
It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First.
Best,
McCoy Mountain & The ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD
--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
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Will Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster still Publish *beep* Finish First?
the title makes no sense. *beep* might finish first in some silly women's eyes, but they epic fail in reality, as demonstrated by tucker's epic fart art film fail, which priscilla painton is pretendning not to notice.
What's up with women these days?
It seems the more they run things, the more they try to force douchebag fart art on everyone:
Former 'Time' Exec. Relieves Venerable Editor Mayhew At Simon & Schuster
http://gawker.com/5002333/former-time-exec-relieves-venerable-editor-mayhew-at-simon--schuster
Anywho, does Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster have a personal vendetta against asians, minorities, overweight women, and little people?
Does she think tucker's ads are cute and humorous?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Does she get off on this?
"The ad campaign for the new flick "I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell" includes slogans like "Deaf Girls Can't Hear You Coming" and "Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!)."
Is that supposed to be funny?" --http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Is this the new face and culture of simon and schuster?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Does Priscilla Painton at Simon and Schuster giggle at secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl's consent and also this:
http://www.penguinblogs.ca/davidson/archives/00000079.html
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/2008/08/sillylittlefreak.html
http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/the_absinthe_donuts_story.phtml
"11:17: The girl starts saying something about what a horrible person I am. I stare at her, but I am not listening. I am preparing myself. I am B-Rabbit. This is the final battle rap. I will win the hostile crowd:
[I interrupt the fat girl] "Ward, I think you're being a little hard on the Beaver, [as I point to each in turn] so is Eddie Haskell, Wally, and Miss Cleaver."
[To the fat guy with greasy hair in the camo vest] "Look out everyone! It's the Pillsbury Commando! Hey Chunk, when was the last time you washed your hair? Does it give you more hit points to have that grease helmet? I hate to break the news, but +5 defense only counts in Dungeons and Dragons."
[To the ugly Asian girl] "Why you no rike me? You want me frip over? You no piss me off! ME FIND YOU IN POCKING ROT!! YOU NO TAKE MING ARIVE!!"
[To the small frail dork--I notice he has a lazy eye] "Dude--Look at me when I'm talking to you--BOTH EYES AT ONCE. Are you really this ugly or are you just playing? EVERYONE, BE CAREFUL, THIS GUY LURKS UNDER THE STAIRS AND TRIES TO LICK YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU PASS BY!"
[To the original fatty, pause for effect] "Why do you do this to yourself? WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF? Look, I'm gonna give you some advice-leave the party, take the geek squad with you, go to Denny's, order about 10 Grand Slam Breakfasts, and eat your pain away. Won't be the first time will it?"
11:19: I am finished. The kitchen is quiet, except for Eddie and Rich laughing. The four freaks are completely speechless. Everyone is staring at me. I blurt out, "WHAT? I'm pretty sure it's what Jesus would've done." Eddie and Rich promptly remove me from the kitchen."
Is Priscilla Painton publishing tucker's next book for the love of literature, art, or money?
'Cause it seems that those who work with tucker generally hate and lose literature, art, and money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Painton
http://www.theladyfinger.com/2009/09/tucker-max-brings-his-misogyny-to-big.html
"What ensues, according the film's trailer, is alcohol-fueled misogynistic mayhem. Max has sex with several women, including, to his smug satisfaction, a dwarf."
See? That is the clever banker ruse.
Have women such as Priscilla fund and promote it, while others protest it, enriching the bankers as marriage is destroyed and the state is grown.
http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
"A Site about the Divorce Regime, Family Court Corruption,
and Government's War on Fathers"
"The divorce regime is the most totalitarian institution ever to arise in the United States. Its operatives in the family courts and the social service agencies recognize no private sphere of life. "The power of family court judges is almost unlimited," according to Judge Robert Page of the New Jersey family court. "Social workers are perceived to have nearly unlimited power," a San Diego Grand Jury concludes. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Total immunity [enjoyed by social workers] is absolute power."
The divorce regime is responsible for much more than "ugly divorces," "nasty custody battles," and other clichés. It is the most serious perpetrator of human and constitutional rights violations in America today. Because it strikes the most basic institution of any civilization – the family – the divorce regime is a threat not only to social order but to civil freedom. It is also almost completely unopposed. No political party and no politicians question it. No journalists investigate it in any depth. A few attorneys have spoken out, but they are eventually suspended or disbarred. Some academics have written about it, but they soon stop. No human rights or civil liberties groups challenge it, and some positively support it. Very few "pro-family" lobbies question it. This is because the divorce regime operates through money, political power, and fear." -- http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Have you seen/read END THE FED by Ron Paul? "Everyone must read this book--Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans--all Americans."
--Vince Vaughn
When you think about it, Tucker Max was the Fed's ultimate creation--a soulless, debased douchebag:
"My name is Tucker Max, and I am an *beep*
Think about it--Tucker's motto @ http://tuckermax.com could be the Fed's motto:
"I get excessively drunk via inflating the currency at inappropriate times, disregard social norms (funding feminism/debauchery & debasement of the family/currency/culture/tucker max(educated at the Fed's University of Chicago's School of Economics (school of freakanomics) and Duke scholarship)), indulge every whim/war, ignore the consequences of my actions/bubbles/bailouts, fund idiots and posers and tucker-max-like CEOs, sleep with more women than is safe or reasonable/luring them with fiat currency & a fiat-funded bus, and just generally act like a raging darko/douchebag/dickhead."
What do you think of Ron Paul's new book--End the Fed?
http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/0446549193/
Review for End The Fed
"Rarely has a single book not only challenged, but decisively changed my mind. "
--Arlo Guthrie
"Everyone must read this book--Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans--all Americans."
--Vince Vaughn
Vince Vaughn is a far, far better actor/director/writer than Tucker Max, so it makes sense that Tucker and his jealous friends at the Fed detest Arlo Guthrie and Vince Vaughan as well as art, film, and literature.
The book has much better reviews and is far-higher ranked than Tucker's douchey books/film/trailer--Five solid stars!
Why do you donnie darko douchos/cbs haterz hate on art, the Constitution, morality, goodness, sound money, peace, prosperity, love, the family, kindness, and Ron Paul so much?
And like the Fed, tucker privatizes all the profits of his private jet while sharing all the risk with his volunteer employees, who work for free.
“Feminism which espoused "women's rights" actually has driven femininity underground, torn the sexes asunder, and stripped woman of recognition for being wives and mothers, roles essential to their own fulfillment, to men, and to children and society.” --http://www.savethemales.ca/
-- http://www.amazon.com/Save-Males-Matter-Women-Should/dp/1400065798