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Why Women Have Sex

Just came across this article on CNN.com:

I've yet to read it, and I'm sure that there will be some good, solid information in there...it's just that I'm not expecting to see a follow-up called "Why Men Have Sex" anytime soon. Interesting. 

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I saw a similar article on MSNBC that did make references to why men had sex, though, of course, the focus was on why women had sex. It was interesting to read, but as it turns out, sexual desire in women is a complicated matter (surprise, surprise) and the article highlighted the still unanswered questions more than the few things correctly understood.

What I found was most sad is the contention that half of women under 60 had low sex drives and that a quarter of those were unable to orgasm. I suppose I have been very lucky to not have had that problem with lovers and relationship partners. I wonder if female readers would have more on the matter to share?

[0+] Author Profile Page Dominique said:

I wonder if any studies have looked at *why* women have trouble with orgasm. Could it have something to do with the fact that our pleasure is not considered all that essential? After all, men can orgasm without pleasing women. The reverse is a little tougher. And if our pleasure is not so important, then the unspoken message in society is that it won't get taken care of. Like so many other things... Unless we take charge. But only in the company of men, of course, since it is very bad form not to need them, isn't it?

[0+] Author Profile Page nurgetts replied to Dominique :

Thank you Dominique!!

Example: a couple of days ago, I met a hot guy. I wanted to have sex with him. I just wanted to have sex with him.......I didn't want his babies or to go out with him.

But...oh my GOD, the rigmarole!! It's like my just wanting this, didn't compute with him!! He was evidentally shocked that this is what I wanted!

So...in his mind, to sleep with me he had to turn me into the "slut" - and he treated me as such all the way through. I told him twice to slow down and he ignored this. Result? I didn't feel a thing!!

His grabbing and pulling was a total turn off...and of course, I never came! Why would I? I was being treated like I wasn't even there!

After we had sex...again, in his mind, I was now the "whore" so he gave me the usual crap about "oh yeah, well I will be really busy...", etc. Like I even ASKED to see him again - why would I?

But THIS is why many women don't come....this turgid little "virgin", "whore" thing that many men have in their heads.

Because if you're a "virgin" type.....ie: you are desperate to just get with a man...they they have the power to use you as they will.

And if your the "whore" type, then they STILL have the power to use you as they will....but no guilt!!

Women don't come because men treat our bodies like they are not important. Sorry if I am ranting here but I have had this happen so many times just because I love my sexuality and I love sex...and I am very bitter about this!

I am sure there are some men out there who actually do give a damn about our bodies - but I still absolutely believe that most of them still have that stupid "virgin", "whore" trap in their minds. And it's a trap for women. It's patriarchy!

[0+] Author Profile Page TD replied to Dominique :

Or there are the women who have never touched themselves, have no idea what they want out of the encounter, but expect that on the first encounter the guy will simply figure every single one of their preferences out for them.

[0+] Author Profile Page nurgetts replied to TD :

TD: please read my reply to dominique above. If you really want to learn how to please a woman sexually then you have to listen to her. So please read my comment - and take it on board.

If men really want to be equal with women you have to get why we are angry. My original comments were obiously not directed at you - but I believe you are doing what many men do when (myself) or another woman tells them they are angry. Trying to deflect reponsibility away from yourself and other guys (am assuming this from the way you wrote).

Yes...some women do not touch themselves (I do and am VERY in touch) with what I want. But it is exactly the virgin/whore stupidity that stops some women experiementing....and makes men believe that sexual women are sluts.

[0+] Author Profile Page Gopher replied to nurgetts :

"But it is exactly the virgin/whore stupidity that stops some women experiementing....and makes men believe that sexual women are sluts."

And then they can have a illusion from which to project a visage of exaggerated sexual libido from and pretend its innate within men and they are just more 'randier.' Another way of abstractly dominating women and not taking responsibility for it.

Instead of spending all that money on research, I'd given them the answer for about $10,000. BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD!

And they say that the media is gone "feminine" or that there is a liberal media. Clearly, the media is still clueless about gender issues, as evident by this article (most popular on CNN!), along with their lack of examining gender problems each time there is a story that involves domestic violence. Reporting the news is fine, but if they're going to pretend to be investigative - at least ...INVESTIGATE!

Now, if there were to do an exclusive report on why women sometimes have sex against their own wishes, or something about women's sexuality in a greater context, it'd be great, but of course, talking about it will make the conservative idiots so mad they'll label the reporting "rauchy," because, you know, women don't enjoy cumming.

Morning rant over.

[0+] Author Profile Page A male replied to Marc :

In fact, they claim men have been studied, and women aren't as simple as "because it feels good." Women in a previous study reported 237 reasons for having sex, which is impressive; and researchers apparently wanted to see how prevalent those were among subjects in this latest study.

[0+] Author Profile Page Marc replied to A male :

Yeah, I saw that. My thing is - the study doesn't seem comprehensive, nor does it take into consideration a lot of gender factors.

In fact, let's do this: let's list men's reasons for having sex.

1) 'cause sex feels good

2) Sometimes because of the desire to be able to brag about a certain conquests

3) Because they'd feel awkward saying no.

4) As a social pressure, to rid the "virgin" status.

5) Because they are drunk, and cannot remember.

[0+] Author Profile Page A male replied to Marc :

Uh huh. And that's what you can imagine, just like you give one reason for women, when researchers found 237. My reasons for having sex are not up there, though my main reason for masturbation would be number one. Let's try interviewing a few thousand randomly selected men representative of the general population for their own answers, to see why men in general have sex, like how women's reasons have been studied.

Researchers could save themselves a lot of time and money if they let personal feelings or anecdote replace actual research.

And they'd most likely be wrong because that's not using the scientific method.

OMG! Women have sex for lots of reason?! Actually, no, women WANT to have sex at all?! When did this happen?!?!?!?! :O

Seriously, people. It's kinda like "Oh wow, ANOTHER study showing that women want to have sex and have sex for reasons that aren't stereotypical." And people pay for this kind of research. *sigh* What I would like is a more comprehensive study on why men have sex. 'Cause we LOVE to throw around the male stereotypes too and people love to accept them. It would be nice to see men's sexuality given as much depth as women's because women aren't the only ones allowed to be deep about sex either. Mostly, I would like a study that shows that all men aren't sex hounds just so I could get some answers for myself. My boyfriend is really not very sexual at all (he's very much a cuddler which is frustrating for me sometimes) and I'm fairly certain he is not the only man on planet earth like this. But you'd think he was the only one the way people look at me when I mention that fact. And then I get the "Well, maybe he just doesn't love you" comments which drive me batshit crazy.

So researchers: Get off you lazy bums and actually put some effort into looking into men's sexuality as well. 'Cause just going "we all know what men want" doesn't help people like me who wonder what the hell is wrong with them and their boyfriends then. Also, if I remember correctly (I read this a couple of days ago) the study didn't seem to be THAT extensive. Wasn't it only about 1,500 women they interviewed or something. Not what I'd consider a horribly big sample of the population.

Side note: If there are indepth and extensive studies about guys and sex links would be greatly appreciated. :) I just have never seen any mention of a study on men's sexuality and NOT had it come up with results like "Men like having sex all the time and generally have asshat reasons for having sex."

[0+] Author Profile Page jellyleelips said:

Oh good lord.

From the article:

"A study from Meston's lab showed a strong correlation between how erect a man's penis is and how aroused he says he is. By contrast, the link is much weaker between a woman's physical arousal (as measured inside her vagina) and the arousal she says she feels, the researchers found. This is why drugs to treat erectile dysfunction such as Viagra don't work as well in women, the authors said."

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Was "The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm" never written or something? I cannot believe this. OF COURSE men's reports of their arousal levels will closely correlate to their erections, since this study postulated (and rightly so) that male arousal is centered on the penis. And, since women's arousal is centered on THE FUCKING CLITORIS and NOT in the vagina, OF COURSE the researchers will assume women are simply misreporting THEIR OWN LEVELS OF AROUSAL when they test for arousal IN THE VAGINA. Freaking seriously. What were they thinking? Did they even review any previous literature on female arousal or did they just find a book from 1910 and go from there? What kind of respectable researcher of sexuality uses the vagina as the body part to measure in order to guage female sexual arousal? I bet you fifty million dollars that if they measured clitoral erection, they would find a correlation between clitoral erection and reports of arousal that looks very similar to the correlation found between penile erection and reports of arousal in men. But they would probably throw such impossible data out, since their findings wouldn't fit into the most exasperating of patriarchal memes, "Women lie."

For those who appear to protest the study's not being "comprehensive," which without further explanation I assume to mean, you don't feel they surveyed enough people, I offer you this on sampling methods:

http://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c040607a.asp

Take note of sample size and margin of error.

Gallup Polls may also rely on sample sizes as low as 1,500 in its polls as when polling potential voters, but because of their statistical methods, can report with 95% confidence with a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf

"One key question faced by Gallup statisticians: how many interviews does it take to provide an adequate cross-section of Americans? The answer is, not many -- that is, if the respondents to be interviewed are selected entirely at random, giving every adult American an equal probability of falling into the sample. The current U.S. adult population in the continental United States is 187 million. The typical sample size for a Gallup poll, which is designed to represent this general population, is 1,000 national adults."

You read that correctly. Just 1,000 adults RANDOMLY selected (my issue with many studies cited here, feminist and anti-feminist), are sufficient to give you a representative sample of adults in the US. Asking 2,000 or 1,000,000 is not going to give you that proportional increase (double or 1,000 times) in margin of error or accuracy, though it may cost you that much more or take that much more time.

Finding 237 reasons women have sex in a previous study, to question them about in this study, is something I consider a feat, probably difficult for many to imagine. Which is why it was necessary to do it.

In fact, I'd bet many more than 237 reasons were given by the previous study's 1,000 women, but had to be narrowed down in an effort to make it more manageable, similarly to how polls have to ask voters to choose between a given selection of candidates (as few as two), versus asking millions of potential voters to identify who they'd personally like as President.

Statisticians recognize the importance of question selection and wording. It would do little good to conduct a survey on the attitudes of Americans to abortion, with a question like "Do you agree with killing babies in the womb?" It would also not be helpful to stop at "Do you believe women have the right to make decisions about their own bodies?" without follow up, as even 100% agreement would not indicate 100% approval for abortions.

"Narrow" a margin of error or increase accuracy.

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