I originally posted this on my Facebook and didn't want to cross-post it here due to the onslaught of trolls it was sure to receive. However, last night my female partner and I went out to a bar on a date and a man thought it would be funny to tell a joke about beating women. Of course, I told him that wasn't funny at all and domestic violence is never funny. I'm not writing this to big up myself but to voice my frustration that things like that happen. Men think it is perfectly acceptable to tell jokes about beating women and it's expected that other men will be in on the joke. This, coupled with the post on the main page about that iPhone app, made me think I should post this up.
So anyway, here is a "piece" I wrote about Tucker Max before the movie came out last September. Just a quick note: I am trudging my way through the book and do plan on seeing the movie (by sneaking in, if it's still in theaters) at some point.
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Tucker Max's movie I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell and the anti-feminist clusterfuck that has come with it are an insult to women, obviously, but also to men who have been doing work towards ending sexual violence. Now, I have not seen the movie (and don't plan to ever give that misogynist turd a cent of the money that I earn working at a rape crisis center), but one doesn't need to, given that it is A) based on the book of the same name and B) the book is based on stories published for free on his website. Max's fans (duwha.. ?) like to combat detractors by pointing out that they are taking quotes from the film out of context. Can someone please tell me a context in which the phrase “get away from me or I’m going to carve a fuck hole in your torso" could NOT be considered violent and misogynist, or at the very least, humorous? Women? Of course they are going to complain. Not only is their "gender hardwired for whoredom" but they're all going to get uppity and demand respect when, clearly, they don't deserve it.
What Max counts on, his bread and butter, is that men are the ones who will laugh. We want to be Max, right? We just wish we had a friend like him who could teach us the ways of getting women, dominating them, and using them purely for our own sexual pleasure with no regard for their feelings, thoughts, or what happens to their bodies after sex. This is wrong. There are thousands and thousands of us who fight every day in solidarity with women and transpeople for the eradication of gender-based violence, and who dedicate our time and some of us, our lives, to widening the definition of masculinity. Those of us who fight for a world where our partners, mothers, co-workers, and daughters, can grow up without a fear of men's violence - physical, verbal, or emotional. Without feeling as though they are nothing more than bodies that men ultimately control. Without feeling like the only thing a man wants from her is sex. We fight not for recognition, not because we are benevolent sexists keen on "protecting women", not for the opportunity to get laid, but because we know in our hearts that women deserve a better world.
At a recent viewing of the film, fellow feminists at NC State University staged a silent protest in response to Max's appearance on campus. Many of them held signs (which were later photo shopped with racist statements on Max's message board) while a viewing of a film about violence against women took place outside. In a Q&A session after the showing, a guest asked Max about his connection to rape culture. His reply was:
“Fucking rape sucks, dude ... It’s, like, not a joke, and I feel like [the protesters'] hearts are probably in the right place, to be honest. But I fell like they’re fucking it up, man, because what they’re doing is really kind of devaluing the seriousness of an actual crime. . . . Dude, I mean, the discussion about where consent lies and doesn’t lie is an important one, and should be had, but this is not the fucking forum. And, uh, and that’s never been an issue for me, so, I don’t know man, I feel like if that’s an issue to you, that’s great, and you should pursue it, but pursue it with the people who it needs to be pursued with. And not with me.”
What Max fails to realize is that the issue does lie with him. "Devaluing the seriousness of an actual crime"? Have you forgotten one of your stories in which you badger a woman into having anal sex with you, and when she "consents" after weeks of asking, you get her drunk while a friend of yours, unbeknownst to her, videotapes the act while hiding in your closet? This is rape. Aside from the allegations we can make toward Max personally due to the women who have "granted" him consent after being filled up with alcohol, I want to tackle the broader point about rape culture, and Max's assertion he has nothing to do with it.
Rape culture exists on a continuum. Rape culture is not strictly the viewing of rape in TV, movies, video games, music, etc. (and when rape is represented, it is always in the most stereotypical way possible - dark alley, stranger, black man raping white woman, etc.) Rape culture is the idea that women are objectified and targeted by men interpersonally and systemically. We see media that sexualize rape and domestic violence. We see movies like "Hostel" which eroticize torture of women and girls. We live in a culture that says its OK to give your baby girl a shirt with boob tassels on it, because it's kitsch and funny, even though it is turning a fucking baby into a sexualized object. To probe this idea deeper, a man harassing a woman on the bus is a product of rape culture. It makes the woman feel unsafe in an environment which should ideally be a neutral setting. This is an example of rape culture functioning at the interpersonal level (it should be noted that, regardless of what gave him the idea it's OK to harass women, we still hold him accountable). But where does this idea come from? The idea that a man has the right to talk to a woman however he wants, grab her if he chooses, and physically attack her if she refuses his advances comes from systems. It comes from learning how to "be a man" via an interconnected web of men in our lives and media depictions of masculinity. What Max fails to grasp is that he contributes to a culture of violence against women by portraying himself in the film as someone all men should aspire to be. A "real man". It is couched in this "I'm-a-huge-douchebag" language in order to assuage us PC feminazis, but the underlining is obvious - Max is living the life that we are too big of "pussies" to ever lead.
Let's also take a look at the marketing campaign Max has put into this film. Bus ads for the movie depict Max with a blonde woman whose face is unseen with the text "Your Face Here," which implies all women are just pussies aching to get fucked by a piece of shit like Tucker Max. Another ad features the phrase "Deaf girls can't hear you coming". Again, Max's fan's (duwah... x2?) try to point out that "coming" is a play on the word "cumming," meaning she can't hear you scream before you bust a nut in her eye. Which is, in itself, an act of degradation towards your sexual partner. The more obvious reason many people find this ad offensive is because it implies deaf girls are easier to, well, rape because they are easier targets. How does this contribute to rape culture? A deaf or hard of hearing woman boarding the bus that morning may be triggered by that ad, especially if she is a survivor of sexual assault - a problem that effects the disabled community more than the able-bodied community.
The marketing plan for this movie all along has been since that - I'm going to hazard a guess - the acting is shitty and the writing worse, in order to generate buzz and make money it must be as offensive as possible. Look at any of the TV ads. Tucker Max rule #16: Strippers will not tolerate disrespect. Followed by a man disrespecting a stripper, and the voiceover saying "Just kidding!" This is in conjunction with an ad showing a group of women at a bar being called worthless. The juxtaposition of these ads is the same - sex worker or businesswoman/student/what
ever other occupation - you are meaningless unless you are being fucked by a man. In yet another clip, Tucker tells a woman "fat girls aren't real people" - again implying that any woman who is not sexually attractive to a man might as well not exist.
To all male-identified people yearning for an end to patriarchy and violence against women:
Putting an end to rape culture isn't just supporting the women around us. It is also putting ourselves out on the front lines letting people know that we do not condone Tucker Max or other misogynists, and we will not let them define us. We are not all rapists. So why do we sit in silence? We can't let someone continue to profit off of the hatred and disrespect of women, and the violence towards the people we care about. We should not sit idly by while our female partners, friends, and family members continue to grow up in a world that threatens them and ignores their voices simply because they are female. Call out your friends who see this movie or find his book entertaining. Ask them why. Refer them to websites like XY Online and films like "Tough Guise" by Jackson Katz. It's time we stop being quiet. It's time to step out of the "man box" and not just say blanket statements about how Tucker Max and people like him are assholes, call it what it is - misogyny. It's time for men to give credit to other men who are speaking up against violence against women, even if we know our male friends may disagree. Too many women have lost faith in men as people. Too many women have died or suffered because we have chosen to stay silent. Stand up. Use your male privilege to educate other men and help end rape culture.


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Love the post but most of the women he wrote about GAVE him consent and KNEW he was a misogynist asshole but actually pursued him. At least ONE of the women he'd encountered wrote about how he'd blatantly called her a bitch, insulted her, disrespected her and yet and still she WANTED to have sex with him because "she'd be (her best' friends) hero!" ZOMG!!!!
She and women like her are not his victims- they are women who said YES, WANTED sex with a misogynist asshole had sex with him and went on their merry way.
Now the woman who he pretty much pressured for sex, got drunk and then had someone videotape it without her consent he should be arrested for that. She's a victim. But according to some of the stuff I've read most of the women he'd had sex with KNEW his reputation and wanted to have sex with him because of it long before the first drink of the night.
I anxiously await when he and his fame will go away.
How do those women factor into rape culture analysis, if at all?
I ask because I truly don't know what to say about them - if Tucker Max isn't making this shit up, do we just say that these women are exercising their agency and sleeping with whoever the hell they want? Or is this like Girls Gone Wild videos where we attack Joe Francis for exploiting the women who are in the videos and contributing to rape culture?
I haven't read the book, so I don't know how he portrays the women who wanted to sleep with him, but does it say anything about rape culture or patriarchy as a whole that women would find misogyny a turn on?
I'm having a hard time framing these questions because I admit I don't believe a word this man has written - I think he's just constructed some crazy fantasy for himself (from what I've heard, he says he went to law school but never went to class and passed the Bar exam without studying? Christ, I had that fantasy for all three years of law school and bar prep) so I'm having a difficult time envisioning these women as real people rather than daydreams. It's probably affecting my analysis, sorry.
Because the assumption is that women on a whole have this duty to feminism or other women NOT to willingly or worse enthusiastically participate in things like this. I think its a fact of life that everyone is different. There are plenty of women who on their own would, have and continue to treat men the way Tucker Max treat women- use them for her own sexual pleasure. But if the *using* is consentual and mutual I really don't see the problem. Two adults engaging in consensual meaningless sex isn't rape against an entire gender or reinforcing a culture of rape against women. It's liek saying we're all virgins or near-virgins who would just NEVER *clutches pearls* NEVER get frisky unless we were drunk and coerced into it. Goodness forbid we take charge of our own sexuality and do things some people wouldn't approve of!!!
I mean come on. Lit a fire under his ass for the wrongs he HAD done and be sure to differentiate between what was rape and what wasn't or else run the risk of inadvertantly claiming NONE of those women were mature, smart, or adult enough to actually be able to consent to sex with him because YOU wouldn't approve.
I think women exist in a partriarchal structure and some women seek power or validation within that structure even when doing so is harm or degrading to them and to all women. Some women like it when douchebags think they're fun and sexy. They feel validated when someone like Tucker wants to sleep with them. They are victims of patriarchy, but also using it to get something they want. Are they bad people? no, I don't think every woman has a responsibility to fight the patriarchy at every turn. (After all, I am wearing make-up as I type this.) But it does make me sad to see it. I wish all women had better opportunities to obtain power and validation.
But thats verbal abusing her until she gives in. Its a wearing down of her esteem.
"Bus ads for the movie depict Max with a blonde woman whose face is unseen with the text "Your Face Here," which implies all women are just pussies aching to get fucked by a piece of shit like Tucker Max"
I saw this on his website and nearly puked. Aside from what you said, it also makes women seem interchangeable. The girl standing next to him doesn't have an identity--she could be anyone, it doesn't matter who.
But that's JUST the point. He isn't deceptive of his intentions to be the biggest douchebag full of disrespect and disregard who mistreats his sexual partner as he could possibly be. They seem to actually LIKE and EXPECT the mistreatment. Sort of liek how S&M would be a very violent sex crime if it were not for that little gem called consent. He is VERY blatantly an asshole on all levels to EVERYONE (even his alleged friends) and still these people clamour to be around him and in the case of most of the women he's bene with- have sex with him. I see no reason to villify him because there are women who actually want to be a part of his misogynist ways. That's HER decision as much as it makes us cringe- as much as we hate to see the asshole have his way- its HER choice and HER bodily autonomy and HER life.
The thing is he doesn't treat it as HER choice. He treats it as the only choice for ALL women. The impression I get from Tucker Max is that he believes no woman wants to be treated with dignity and that those who do demand respect don't deserve it anyway. After all, they're just women.
All in all, he reminds me of the guys who hang out on the corner cat-calling. I start out a sexy goddess with great breasts, then I ignore them or tell them to leave me alone. Suddenly I undergo a magical transformation into an ugly whore they wouldn't touch if I paid them. Sometimes, I'll smile and say hi back, just to avoid the drama. It doesn't mean I like it.
I bet many of his female 'fans' prefer to act 'in on the joke' rather than deal with the drama of being publicly berated as an ugly man-hating feminist with no sense of humor.
I'd like to take a s**t in Tucker Max's mouth.
I'd like to publicly beat his ass. I'd like the publicity of that.
"The piece dubbed their new genre 'fratire'. The term has come to embody hyper-masculinity and political incorrectness, in response to 'chicklit' and other books written specifically for women"
- quote from I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell wikipedia.
The question is....usually when i respond to something it's either a positive response or a negative response based on whether what I'm responding to has a good or bad impact on me. That being said how does "chicklit" warrant a response from Tucker Max, or a "frat boy"? If anything "chicklit" can be found reinforcing sexists ideas and partriachy against women. I've never read a "chick book" and thought, "This is so degrading to men!" Are they mad that a select few are uplifting to the ones they want to oppress?!
I dunno, I've really been struggling with this whole idea being put out by mainstream media that this new anti-woman wave coming out fueled by this "frat generation" is a response to something women did!?!
The best one I've heard is its a response to our success since men feel emasculated. Mature and scientific!
Well said.
The best one I've heard is its a response to our success since men feel emasculated. Mature and scientific!
My guess though, is that probably a lot of men do feel emasculated but only because it seems like the societal definition of masculinity is all about NOT being female or feminine. And if you've removed and blurred many of the old social boundaries between men and women, what's left to masculinity (in the traditional sense)?
And whenever there is a void, you are inviting in the capitalists (or the church) to come in a fill it for you. And what a better way to make insecure people feel better about themselves is to put others down?
I see a lot of parallels to the racism against Obama and blacks in general that has resurfaced since the election. When the dominant group perceives a loss of power, the media and entertainment is pretty much the last bastion of hatred that is allowed to go on more or less unchallenged.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/
There is a good link for some interesting information for those with questions.