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Not a scientist until she becomes a man.

A quick note about how we know we as women are discriminated against out of the mouth of a once female now male scientist.

Posted by bethrjacobs - October 31, 2009, at 04:30PM | in Science
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[0+] Author Profile Page Laura_M said:

"He should learn to take scientific hypotheses less personally," Pinker said.

Because, you know, he's really a woman, and women take everything too personally! Oh, and the "most men are naturally better at science than most women, and it has nothing to do with culture, no, no way, not at all" hypothesis is totally valid and unassailable.

*facepalm*

[0+] Author Profile Page bethrjacobs said:

…“Barres said he won't be surprised if the Nature article makes him the kind of lightning rod for criticism that Summers was last year. He said he is disappointed that more senior women faculty have remained silent on the issue.
"Women have heard this stuff so much from people like Larry Summers, some corner of their brain starts to believe it," he said.”…
There are other articles by and about Barres: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&rls=gm&q=ben%20barres
You know when I was a middle schooler I asked my guidance counselor my I.Q. and she had two school administered standardized test results to choose from and she lied .It was not for almost twenty years that I found out that my scores on both the exams being one point apart put me in the next percentile up from what she had told me. An entire ten points hire then she said. And I wonder what would have changed if I had been told the correct thing.
Women can be as sexist as men.

[0+] Author Profile Page bethrjacobs said:

I do not mean Laura_M

[0+] Author Profile Page bethrjacobs said:

Laura_M is not sexist I'm implying that women some times are our own worst enemy but mostly helped by men. The other articles talk about other incidents oh to be a fly on the wall as a women when you’re not around.

[0+] Author Profile Page Laura_M replied to bethrjacobs :

I didn't think you meant me. :) It's pretty clear that you were talking about people like your former guidance counsellor.

[0+] Author Profile Page Nettle Syrup said:

Oh jeez, how is it possible for someone to go through their whole life not recognising their privilege? I know that people make things easier for me because I happen to be caucasian. It didn't take me a million years to work it out, even though I grew up in a very conservative area and didn't meet many other ethnicities till I went to university. It was also easy to see even when I was a very small child, that straight people get treated better than LGBTs. So where have Pinker and others like him spent their lives? Have they been walking around with their eyes closed?

"Whenever I feel myself beginning to reconsider the way society is, I just hum a little tune and it goes away."

[0+] Author Profile Page bethrjacobs said:

People like Pinker and my former guidance counselor are cruel for the sake of it. They may actually have such huge egos that they believe what they believe to be right or “right for society” no matter what. All scientific evidence to the contrary…
Sometimes they are in owing to something or some one else like it’s a gun to their head but mostly they want the statues quo…white male on top. In a favorite book of mine “Smilla’s sense of snow” there is a line about scientists believing I.Q. is tied to brain/skull size until they encountered the Inuit who have as a group the largest skulls of all humans.

[0+] Author Profile Page Nettle Syrup replied to bethrjacobs :

I thought the inuit had very small skulls? Is your book saying that the inuit have low IQ scores or something, and this contradicts the idea of big brains being tied to intelligence, or that they have large brains and high IQ which contradicts the idea of large brains = low intelligence? I'm confused...

There's plenty of scientists who believe brain size is tied to intelligence. I think it is, to an extent, but not in such a straightforward way as we like to think. I can't remember where I read it, but one researcher who found french brains were smaller than german brains was scandalised until he did further research and found that germans were larger altogether than french people (at the time of the study), and brain size was related to body size. But when he did this with men versus women, he didn't bother researching further (yes, men's brains are larger, but in comparison to the body, women's are larger) because it just seemed natural to him.

[0+] Author Profile Page bethrjacobs replied to Nettle Syrup :

No Inuit skulls are huge and the book suggests that scientists sort of just decided after seeing this that they were no longer going to say there was a correlation any more .Just like that.
? See this entry where there is more on the topic including links to a large number of sites which say, there is at most a 40% chance of correlation and many questions on diet and perception. And also much information by other commenter’s. All at: Does size matter? - Community

[0+] Author Profile Page bethrjacobs replied to Nettle Syrup :

.At:http://community.feministing.com/2009/11/does-size-matter.html
There is a comment about the difference if there is one being do to males having more insulation and fewer actual I.Q. related brain cells. But great insight with that study I never heard that before. Thank you.
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