This is a response to Kate Moss's motto. Feel free to add your own suggestions below.
20. Blueberry Muffins
19. Key Lime PIe
18. Avocado slices on toasted bread
17. Robert Pattinson's skin post-shower (feels good, too!)
16. Sundried tomatoes
15. Angel food cake
14. Green tea
13. Animal crackers
12. Raspberry flavored ice cream
11. Peanut butter and jelly sandwich
10. Grapes
9. Sushi (with or without fish, depending on your tastes)
8. Cheddar beer chips with hummus
7. Celery with nutella
6. Fried tofu with sweet and sour sauce
5. Salad with balsamic vinaigrette
4. Macaroons
3. Pizza with olives and mushrooms
2. Scrambled eggs
1. Mangos
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Well, green tea has no calories anyway, but I get the point... I love green tea!
1 Lasagne
2 Fish and chips (gonna have this in about 20 minutes!)
3 Steamed vegetables with butter
4 Chocolate chip muffins
5 Treacle tart
6 Ice-cream or frozen yoghurt
7 MARMITE ON TOAST
8 Iced sponge cake
9 Soup of any kind (except mushroom...)
10 Quiche
11 Peach slices
12 Bananas
13 Noodles
14 Boiled eggs with a little salt - mmmm...
15 Smoked salmon on crispy bread...
16 Cupcakes
17 Salad with vinegar
18 Walnuts
19 Baked potato with tuna
20 Fish finger sandwiches
Well-reasoned arguments.
Why is everyone so up in arms about Kate Moss's motto? She just likes to be skinny, leave her alone.
Yes, she likes to be skinny. That is what she wants out of her life. I agree, we should probably leave her, as a person, alone.
However, do you realize how much of a role model she is? Women and girls look up to her and other celebrities hoping that if they change this ONE aspect of themselves they can feel like a part of royalty. In this sense being skinny, thinking that this is the best thing at a woman could possibly feel, is harmful. It perpetuates cultural standards of thin is better than not thin. Thusly leading to more eating disorders and disordered life.
But then, you could turn it around--if Kate Moss were obese and stated that being fat was the best thing that could possibly be. Is that still as harmful? Yes. Harmful to herself and others.
A drug-taking role model? Really?
I'm confused by this. Elaborate please.
What I'm getting at is that she is far from being a role model. I don't think she has any influence over anyone. It's beside the point anyway, as I think this is all a non-issue, but claiming her as some influential role model to women is an exaggeration, in my opinion.
Maybe saying she's a role model for all women is an exaggeration, but Kate Moss is an absolute ICON for young girls who want to be seriously underweight. These pro-ana websites go crazy over Kate Moss and Keira Knightley. That's not their fault, but they grasp onto comments like that and use them as 'thinspiration' mottos. Just check a few of them out.
I wasn't aware of these pro-ana websites actually, so thanks for that.
But the problem really lies somewhere else, and not with Kate Moss. Surely wanting to be dangerously skinny is down to some deep rooted psychological/physical problems. These pro-ana people will find 'thinspiration' anywhere, I would've thought. Or is this a phenomenon only based on modern media's obsession with being slim?
Well, there's always been eating disorders, but it was once extremely rare and is now not rare at all, an epidemic in fact. Just a short look at history will show how it's increased with media. There was a study on Fiji where Anne Becker interviewed 30 young women before it came under the influence of western media, and then after 'Western' TV was introduced. In only about 3 years' time, the girls were saying things like 'I want to be thin because the girls on TV are thin, and if you're fat you won't have friends.' There were then many more cases of anorexia and self-induced vomiting to lose weight. Yeah, there's problems with research and confirmation bias and all that, but this seems like a good study and you'd have to be pretty dim to deny the connection. Sure, there are other reasons people become anorexic, like genes, but these things very, very rarely manifest without the influence of a thin-obsessed media. That's not to say everyone anorexic is shallow or stupid, in fact it has been shown that people with eating disorders are often the intelligent ones - the fact is, all the successful and likeable characters on TV are thin, and women and girls want to be successful and likeable. And if they are ambitious and determined, they are likely to do everything to the best of their ability, which is where dieting can get out of hand.
Thank you. That was what I was trying to get at. In no means is Kate Moss a positive role model. It is her view on life that makes those with eating disorders look up to her as a role model (from their perspective), for "thinspiration". Dangerous.
When I was in middle school if they took drugs it made them even more appealing.
Hmm I guess I find it hard empathising because I was never one to have solid role models growing up, didn't watch TV and feel nauseous whenever I hear the word 'celebrity', so I'm downplaying the amount of influence modern media has on young girls in my mind.
In this case, then yes, I can see now why what Kate Moss said was irresponsible if it is exactly these sorts of women that pro-ana communities follow.
At the same time I feel as if we are really pouncing on her - I'm trying to imagine being in her shoes. I would like to think I would learn from the reactions and move on, but I get a nasty impression of from some of the comments here. As a naturally skinny woman, I just felt a little taken aback at the bitchiness.
I can totally understand, if you're naturally skinny - and I know, from friends' experiences, that you guys have it as tough sometimes as others.
But, from the perspective of someone who is plus sized (and I am NOT ashamed of that), the shit that you guys get is from jealousy, but mostly you guys are still treated like people. As someone who is obese, I am treated differently than I was seven years ago when I was a "normal" size. It is frustrating and insulting.
You have to understand, as I'm sure you do, that most people are not naturally skinny, and trying to be so is often dangerous. The fact that this woman is flaunting her skinniness, natural or not, is offensive when it comes to those struggling with body image - it is a punch in the face. It is one thing to be comfortable in your skin; it is quite another to promote unhealthy practices in order to "be skinny." What's more, there is a lack of reality in this picture - celebrities like Kate Moss don't live in the "real" world. They have personal trainers, nutritionists, chefs, and endless time - nothing but time - to work out and eat their calorie-free food which has been perfectly prepared for them without an ounce of thought or effort. Real people don't have this leisure - they have to work and manage stressful schedules, struggling to fit in preparing meals and working out. It is their JOB to be "pretty" and we forget this. That is, I think, the most pressing issue.
mmm... homemade berry cobbler with vanilla ice cream
1) A hearty bowl of chili on a cold day
2) Cupcakes
3) Nepali jackfruit curry
4) Soy lattes and hot chocolates
5) Coconut milk ice cream
6) Almost anything involving coconut milk
7) The black bean burgers my boyfriend makes
8) Pasta!
9) Mashed potatoes
10) Popcorn with tons of pepper, salt and nutritional yeast
11) Olive oil
12) Chocolate croissants
13) Hashbrowns
14) Biscuits and gravy
15) Vegan pancakes from the Seward Cafe
16) Really good french fries
17) Pizza, obviously
18) Beer
19) Gooey brownies
20) Chips and salsa
So much other stuff!
1. chocolate, in almost any form
2. caramel, preferably in combination with chocolate
3. coffee (sometimes with chocolate, as in a soy chocolat au lait)
4. squash baked with maple syrup (i have not actually tried this with chocolate, but i bet it would work. possibility for dinner tonight...)
5. nigella lawson's recipe for chicken with bacon and brandy (i substitute jack daniels...and chocolate)
6. honey cornmeal bread with nutella (form of chocolate)or lots and lots of butter
7. dark chocolate waffles with strawberries and whipped cream from bintliff's
8. milkshakes
9. really good hamburgers on focaccia with sharp cheddar cheese, avocadoes, and bacon (if there is no chocolate, subsitute bacon. which reminds me...)
10. chocoalte bars with bacon in them.
Oh, God, bacon? Chocolate-drenched bacon? Anything bacon? I think I love you!
1. Snow crab legs
2. Egg rolls
3. Chimichangas
4. Chicken fried rice
5. Chocolate truffles
6. Maggie Moo's cotton candy ice cream
7. Chicken alfredo
8. Thanksgiving turkey
9. Pasta salad
10. McDonald's fries
11. Chipotle burritos
12. Chicken kabobs and spiced green beans
13. Baklava
14. Tiramisu
15. Chocolate cake
16. Chocolate chip cookies
17. Crabcakes
18. Popcorn shrimp
19. Biscuits and gravy
20. A cold Mountain Dew
21. Subway turkey sandwiches
22. Horizon chocolate milk
23. Peanut noodles
24. Baked potatoes with cheese and bacon
25. Garlic bread
26. Ceasar Salad
27. Pulled pork BBQ
29. Hot buttered rolls
30. Beef Stroganoff
31. Chicken Stir-fry
32. Scalloped potatoes
33. Waffles with blueberry syrup
34. Those vegan cupcakes from Giant Eagle (best cupcakes I ever had)
35. Pappa John's pizza
36. Those lemon cookies my uncle David makes
37. Tim Horton's hot chocolate
38. Chicken noodle soup
39. Pecans
40. Pralines from Charleston, SC
41. Georgia peaches
42. Starfruit
43. Mahi Mahi
44. Lobster tails
45. The potato soup my grandma makes
46. Ripe blueberries
47. Wild raspberries
48. Grapes
49. Pomegranates
50. Mocha Frappachino
51. Pocky
52. Crab Sushi (anything with crab in it, really)
53. Fried catfish
54. Bacon
55. Broccoli with terriyaki sauce
56. Canned peas
57. Peapods
58. Roasted corn on the cob
59. Broccoli with cheese
60. Beef Stew
61. Arby's roast beef sandwich
62. Arby's Turkey, Ranch, and Bacon sandwich
63. Chick-Fil-A chicken
64. Baby spinach in salad and on sandwiches
65. Chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream
66. Milky Way Midnights
67. Ripe strawberries
68. Kraft macaroni and cheese
69. Cheddar biscuits
70. Southern sweet iced tea
Man, I'm STARVIN'!
Wow. I am but mere amateur to you! :)
Oh, crap. I already told two people I loved them before I saw your post, so I can't tell you I love you, but, wow - roast beef sandwiches from Arby's??????
I LOVE, and I mean absolutely love, drenching the Arby's sauce on there, and kick it up with a bit of horseradish sauce on a sandwich with extra roast beef - as everything just fucking EXPLODES in my mouth, beef flavors going through my nostrils, the buns are now falling apart, and as a result, beef slices fall everything, with the drippings of the sauces on them!
Totally HEAVENLY! God, I miss, miss, miss Arby's.
Clearly, I love food a bit too much at times ...
Oh my God, POMEGRANATES! Best fruit EVER! Love.
The vegan edition:
10. Pita and humus
9. Sweet potato fries
8. Spaghetti
7. Burritos
6. Pesto pasta with veggies
5. Cake made with diet soda instead of milk, eggs, oil, etc.
4. Lingood berry jam on toast
3. General Tso's tofu
2. Apple cider mashed potatoes
1. Black bean burgers
how do you make a cake without the eggs, oil, and milk? Can you please post a recipe? Are you able to make cookies without butter as well?
http://www.theppk.com/veganbaking.html
also, earth balance is my favorite vegan margarine but even i can't believe it's not butter or the store's generic brand are usually vegan.
and there is an endless supply of milk alternatives. soy, almon, hemp, oat, rice. one for every occasion. i usually just get whatever is on sale but in my experience rice tastes best on cereal and soy is good in cooking.
thanks for a long time my friends and I would buy the vegan desserts from our local grocery store (our local branch of the chain store is owned by a vegan and she sees to it that everyone can get a taste of what she eats regularly) but one of our friends has recently been diagnosed with celiac's disease and can no longer eat anything with gluten in it.
I'm sorry, but I find this post entirely unnecessary and find of upsetting for reasons I outlined in the post made on the main forum this morning.
This kind of thing is triggering and insensitive to people suffering with eating disorders. It's along the line of "eat a sandwich" rhetoric.
Kate Moss has and is part of a structural system of thin privilege. What about mental health privilege?
Yes, we should be critical of her statement and challenging social structures that contribute to her celebrity and to eating disorders, but is this kind of post really helpful?
I agree that anorexic and bulimic women need to hear more than just the "eat a sandwich" rhetoric. Eating disorders are a type of mental illness and the women who suffer from them need help. From other women, from their doctors, from psychiatrists, and from survivors of the disorder. But, I think that it goes a long way toward stopping very young girls, who see comments like this and are ashamed of eating, to create lists like this. We focus too much on being thin, and not enough on being healthy. I think we should all have a list of reminders of the foods we enjoy eating that will allow us to forget about our weight, and focus on nourishing our bodies.
I agree the 'just eat' line is not constructive at all. But to say we shouldn't write posts celebrating liberation from a patriarchal ideal of thinness and 'beauty' is a bit much. It's like saying no one should write about their relief at having had an abortion because it might be triggering to women who can't have children. Or vice versa.
Making a list of foods you think "taste better than skinny feels" is not at all comparable to writing about the experience of having an abortion.
I also don't see how this list is a celebration of liberation. This post is linked to a whole discussion that has been happening on this site that I am questioning.
But for what it's worth, no one is slamming anyone for not eating, but rather, sharing their love and interests for food.
One can an anti-objectification of women stand, but still write about things they like about sex. This is simply the same concept.
On another note, and I seriously mean this, I WOULD SO COOK FOR ALL OF YOU!
Feminism and food. It's just ...the stuff dreams are made of.
1. chocolate of any kind
2. hot apple cider in the fall
3. zucchini sautéed in butter
4. chicken/ eggplant Parmesan
5. potato and leek soup
6. roasted new baby potatoes with garlic
7. cheese
8. pumpernickel bagel with blueberry cream cheese
9. chicken quesadillas made with jack cheese and hot sauce
10. frozen key lime pie
11. cream cheese swirled brownies
12. spumoni ice cream
13. pasta with lemon cream sauce
14. sour candy
15. virgin margaritas
16. fish, roasted on the grill with lemon and butter
17. Margherita pizza
18. caprese salad
19. pesto on rosemary bread
20. fried chicken coated in hot sauce or honey
21. curried zuchini soup from manzaneres coffee shop
22. gelatto
23. mango sorbet
24. pomegranate smoothies
25. cheese cake with raspberry reduction
26. celery dipped in homemade hummus
27. carrots, fresh and raw
28. roasted broccoli and asparagus
that was not meant to be a response, sorry about that
Oh, shit, and I love you, too! Just as I've loved the other posters. Chicken with honey, seriously? I am going to have a heart attack from the excitement of it all!
food is what holds our society together. We associate it with comfort and and familiarity. I think that because it is the one thing that all cultures understand it brings our world together. See for me, I think the "thin culture" that our media perpetuates is a way for them to maintain control not only over what we put in our bodies, but also its a way to keep our country separate from all the others It's the idea that if we try and attack the one of the only things that can transcend cultural differences, we are going to be able to attack one of the only ways to appreciate another culture. We learn a lot about other parts of the world through the food that we eat. It's that simple. Plus hungry people are grumpy people and what better way to prove that women are overly emotional than to starve them, thus making them angry and emotional.
As someone who has struggled with anorexia, it is more than food tasting good. I love to eat. Even in my most eating disordered state, I could come up with a huge list of food I'd rather be eating than starving myself. And then I would have probably burst into tears and drunk a glass of water to fill myself up.
There's no point in listing everything that tastes better than being skinny except to remind people struggling with a disorder just how disordered and miserable they are.
I think the post is helpful to women who have not struggled with serious eating disorders. However, of course I'm sorry that it is triggering to people who have eating disorders, and I can see how. At the same time, I think the target audience is much broader than that, and we shouldn't forget that all women are affected in some way by unrealistic body image issues. So we can share the experience to some degree.
No one on the feministing community is trying to tell you that you're disordered and miserable; it was done in a light-hearted spirit.
Be well.
communion wafers with hummus dip
smores pie
white sapotes
chevre cheese
Chili with cheese.
Buttered toast.
Tomato soup and a grilled cheese sandwich on a rainy night.
Sugar wafers.
Chocolate cream pie.
Holiday grapes. Champagne grapes.
Warm apple pie with a scoop of vanilla ice-cream.
Clams Casino.
Oh, geez, folks - it's damn 9:30 in the morning, and you've got my ass starving.
1) A dirty - extremely dirty martin, or maybe 5. The smell makes you breathe deeper to take in the salty brine with burning smell of the vodka or gin. Add a good conversation to the mix and you'll be swaying within ten minutes.
2) Medium rare steaks with a nicely baked potatoes drenched with butter. The first bite of a good steak is like the first kiss - your tongue dances and your heart flutters as you taste the salty, tender piece of meat falling apart in your mouth. Add some breadsticks and you've made me very happy.
3) Tongue tacos - the most amazing, wonderful things in the world, with some cilandro and chopped onions on top, with a dab of guacamole, and a squeeze of lime.
4) Fried chicken - nothing like the crunchy skin, spicy white meat, and the steam all combined together, and the heat quelled by sweet, sweet iced teas.
5) Boiled crab - with the roe still in tact, and the taste of the sea on your tongue as you take a bite into the sweet, flaky meat. No melted butter here, please.
6) Pho. Growing up in Southern California, this beef noodle soup was the staple of my family's Saturday morning outings - fatty, tender pieces of beef, cooked in beef bone with spices for up to 12 hours, then thrown on the bed of white noodle with piping hot stock, add some vegies and you've got yourselves a meal.
7) A hot bowl of chili - the real chili, not the kind of crap you get at the supermarket to put on your baby siblings' hot dogs. Real chili comes with no beans - and the only garnish it needs to spunk up the spicy, beefy flavor is some onions. No cheese, nothing nothing else. A few bottles of Corona with it, and I am in heaven. Indication of a good bowl of chili? Specks of red peppers can be seen on the pieces of meat. God.
8)A nice, fatty piece of corned beef simmered with sauerkraute in the crock pot about 10 hours, cooked in its own fat and juices, along with half a can of dark beer to bring out the flavor. Don't even attempt to cut it, because after 10 hours, you can simply take it apart with your fork.
The steam still rising, the meat still pink from it inside because of its natural color, and next to you preparing the dishes for a meal is a friend, lover, or someone who doesn't give a damn about your weight, but rather, you've got good food!
9) Watermelon. I miss a lot of food from the States - but one thing I don't miss is watermelon, because here, watermelon is available throughout the year. The refreshing, sweet, sandy taste of a seedless watermelon as it's getting bitten into, the juices explode in all kinds of direction in your mouth. It's just ...heavenly. It's like biting into natural sugared water, still so fresh and tasty - with just the right amount of sweetness.
10) Cheesecake: New York, Chocolate, pumpkin pie - if it's a cheesecake, it's for me! I love the smooth, cold, and in the right case, tart taste of a cheesecake, stuck on the roof of my mouth, as it richness mixes and melts in my mouth. If kept cold enough, the chunky texture greets you at the first bite, but immediately gets squished by your dancing tongue ...oh, God ...now I am hungry.
How the hell did this turn into a damn novel/food erotica for me? Lunch is going to be wonderful today. :)
when do you get back from your tour?
The latest projected date is February 14. But as I understand, we're looking at 1 or 2 February. So, it'll be fun!
Man, I can't wait to get bome and throw shit in the crockpot before I go to work in the morning, and coming home to a good, healthy meal, and bringing people over and cooking for them! It'll be like a family, except they have to leave at night!
Marc
I'll bet. My dad always said when he would come back that the best part of being back home was getting to go into the freezer pull out a bag of green chile and making something with it. I'll be sending good thoughts your way. Good luck on the remainder of your mission.
20) lox and bagels
19) chicago style hot dog with all the fixings
18) deep-dish pizza
17) fresh raspberries
16) chai tea
15) hummus and pita
14) crab cakes
13) cosmos
12) hot cocoa (peppermint schnapps added if you so choose)
11) blueberry pancakes
10) steaks cooked medium-rare
9) shrimp cocktail
8) lemon meringue pie
7) s'mores
6) brie and crackers
5) fresh pineapple and mangos
4) godiva dark chocolate
3) blueberry muffins
2) dark-chocolate mochas
1) fresh-baked chocolate chip cookies
Veggie Dogs from a small local family owned restaurant that offers vegetarian options of just about everything as well as vegan options b/c they have vegan buns. Seriously, a veggie chili cheese dog always made my day and after I became a regular they would usually give me extra fries. I hope they keep veggie-bacon in stock now because when I go back to visit I soooooo want the Heart-Attack Dog (a hot dog loaded with chili, onion wrings, bacon and some other fried goodness/badness). It appears nowhere sells veggie dogs here and when I buy them from the store they don't even match what this restaurant offered. And that even with the extra charges for vegetarian options I could still get a hot dog with chili cheese fries and a drink for under 5 was extra-cool.
As you can tell I miss this place with all get out and actually look forward to visiting this restaurant almost just as much as I do my friends.
Tofu!
1. T-Bone steak; well done
2. Pepperoni pizza
3. Wendy's grilled chicken Ceasar Salad
4. Fazoli's breadsticks
5. My mom's chili
6. My mom's made from scratch chocolate cake
7. Cherries; chocolate covered or plain
8. Sweettarts
9. Coca-Cola (straight up, no diet soda)
10. Lindor milk chocolate truffles
11. Iced Tea
12. Starbucks hot chocolate
13. Arby's beef and cheddar sandwiches
14. Grapes
15. Vanilla ice cream smothered in hot fudge
16. Biscuits and gravy
17. Spaghetti
18. Jolly Ranchers
19. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups
20. My boyfriend's kisses (yummiest of all LOL)
I never realized how much I love junk food. Oh well, I don't care. Although, now I'm hungry just from making this list.