This post will mainly use figures on the UK, Australia and the USA. Anecdotes will reflect that I'm an Australian who has been living in the UK for the last year. As such it will have a cultural bias that I apologise for in advance.
When I attended primary school around 20 years ago in Australia there was a fairly even split of teachers - men to women. I don't know if this was the norm at the time but I never got the impression that it was unusual growing up. Despite traditional gender roles amoungst my own parents, school gave me the impression that men and women were equally engaged with children.
While I'm not sure if an even split was usual at the time, I do know that the number of male primary school teachers has been declining in Australia. I can't tell you exactly what the figures are because they are not available but according to the UN's Gender Gap Report 2009, the percentage of male primary teachers in the USA is 11%, and in the UK 19%. There are no male primary school teachers on the Isle of Wight.
Figures are better at scondary school level: USA 38%, UK 39%. And by the time we get to Tertiary education the trend is reversed: USA 55%, UK 59%.
The reasons for these trends are no doubt due to a number of complicated factors. What springs to mind however, are gender schemas about the role of men in western society and how the media views their interaction with children. It's probably fair to say that the idea that women are better at looking after young children has always existed. More recently I believe this view has been enhanced but the paranoia surrounding pedophilia in the media.
A friend of mine happens to be a male teacher, he recalls a radio broadcast in Britain in the last year that began, "Despite being a primary school teacher, is not a pedophile..." The association is so strong that many men and women seem to react to other men as teachers with a, "Why would they want to do that!?" response. As if teaching isn't a valuable and rewarding occupation for men and women.
So what affect is this having? Well I have some anecdotes that suggest it is having a detrimental affect on the education of young boys. This seems obvious, as we know having similarly gendered role models helps women believe in themselves in traditionally male occupations like science and engineering. Many boys see no men at all in their school.
My friend recently left the school he was at, his former school is now one of those schools with no male teachers. He told me of a number of incidents. Upon hearing he was leaving, a boy he had never taught approached him, apparently distraught, and said "I was really hoping you would be my teacher next year." On more than one occasion the parents of some boys have asked what my friend was doing differently to their sons previous teachers; it seems their performances had risen dramatically and they had begun showing an interest in school that they had previously lacked.
My point isn't to suggest that men are better teachers. In fact my friend tells me that he is an average teacher at best.
The formative years of a child's development are often the most important. Failing to learn to their potential at an early age must have a negative effect. At present we see that in the UK 1.4 girls enrole in tertiary education for ever boy, in the USA it is 1.41 and in Australia 1.29. (The UN's Gender Gap report scores this as gender parity but that's beside the point.)
Of course there are complicated issues of intersectionality at play here. Men can more easily gain employment in physical labour or at least there is the perception that is the case. Similarly, in the current (sexist) environment women need to be more qualified than men to be perceived as the best candidates for promotion. Yet, the lack of early role models for boys in an educational environment has the potential to be a significant contributing factor.
This is bad for men and women. Higher education is a valuable experience no matter your gender, it is one that men and women should have equal ambition for, and be given equal resources to pursue. It is at universities and colleges that issues of social justice are pursued by the student body; what are the chances for feminism to succeed if men are not exposed to these issues in equal number?
And what of young girls? What affect does it have on them to have no male role models at an early age? Does it reinforce the schema that men are incapable of caring for young children and give them the impression that is their burden to bear? Given that the gender pay gap is largest for couples with children, this surely is of significant concern.
This is my first community post here. I made it because I feel this issue can't be ignored. I hope you all agree with me that this is an issue that needs attention and needs to be addressed.


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I think a big part of why there are so few male primary school teachers is pretty simple and basic - money
Teacher salaries in the USA are very low compared to the salaries paid to other college educated professionals. Considering that our sexist society provides more opportunities for men as opposed to women, it makes sense that male college grads with other professional options would chose them over the low paying teaching profession.
I don't know. Where I live in Canada has good wages for teachers after a few years but I think the stats for the percentage of men are very similar to U.S.
I'm a teacher in Ontario (Canada). The stats for male elementary teachers is similar here. And although teachers in Canada make good money compared to the teachers in the US, it still doesn't compare to a lot of fields. For example, I majored in math and my classes were made up of mostly males. But nearly all of the women who were in the math program were going to become teachers, and nearly all of the men were going to go get their Masters/Phds and become things like actuarires (which make a lot more money).
If it is true that men aren't becoming teachers for the money, I'm not really sure what we can do about it. I believe teachers make a fair wage in Canada but it's hard to recruit people to a profession if they don't think it pays well enough.
Or if they think its below them. A case of 'sleep in the bed you made.'
That might be a good comment if previous generations were this generation, perhaps you believe in gender specific reincarnation? If you don't then surely you must acknowledge that we have all been born into a sexist society and that isn't our fault.
We have to live with the consequences of the society we live in. Those of us who would describe ourselves as activists (feminists) strive to change the world for the better.
If men do believe that teaching occupations are below them, then that is a value instilled by the patriarchy. Please try and remember that.
Duh. And the patriarchy was invented by men. So the 'sleep in the bed you made' comment still stands.
Men "invented" patriarchy? It is just not that simple. Patriarchy just describes the setup that our society has. Society is shaped by...lots of things. We all uphold it, one way or another.
When Gopher calls you an MRA, she's going to think she's going to think she's scored a brilliant rhetorical and moral victory.
I am no more my great-great-great-...grandfather than you are your great-great-great-...grandfather. Therefore I am no more responsible for the patriarchy than you are.
I completely disagree. Its not alternative opportunities which drive men elsewhere its that the career plan of 'teach kindergarden, marry someone who can provide the primary salary' isn't a career path which is open to guys.
When many women are unwilling to consider marrying someone who earns less than them, it adds an increased disincentive for many men to go into teaching as their first job. I have known men who have gone into teaching as something they've wanted to do, but could only consider doing after they had earned their money elsewhere. By contrast most of the women I've known in teaching have had money coming from someone else.
I'm a volunteer guardian ad litem with an organization called CASA. We get appointed to kids whose families are in the family court system because the parents are abusive and/or neglectful. Our role is to meet with the kids once a month, get to know them and their circumstances, and make recommendations in court with the end goal of having them in a safe, permanent home by the time their case closes. I'm not sure what the figures are for CASAs across the country, but in a large metropolitan city in the Midwest, only 13% of our volunteers are male.
Obviously, being a GAL and being a teacher are two different gigs. But I've always wondered if the gender disparity in our voluteers is a result of men thinking that this sort of work with children is something that women do, what with women being the ones who are nurturing and motherly and understanding of what children need.
I recall that my first grade teacher absolutely hated children and I always wondered why. Years later I discovered that she had gotten into teaching when few other options were afforded women and after having made tenure and thus achieved a steady job for life, she felt no compulsion to leave it.
All of my teachers in elementary school were female. It wasn't until I was in middle school that I had a teacher who was male. He was, it so happens, a football coach, which almost doesn't count. By the time I finished high school, I think I had been taught by three, or at most, four men.
I have no grand unifying theory of why men opt out of teaching until higher ed. The pay for a beginning teacher is usually less than 40K a year and the only way to make a substantial salary is to get into administration. This might be part of it, but I'm sure established tradition plays as much a role as anything else.
I have nothing really insightful to say, but I just wanted to add that I also agree that the lack of male teachers IS a serious problem, and a major reason why boys are beginning to lag behind girls academically. Thanks for this post.
I dunno... is it such a problem? Women have historically done much more parenting than men, and as schools become surrogates for overworked parents, this just seems to mirror that. The number of male teachers increases in highschools, and, as someone else noted, coaches will tend to be men, and fill that paternal role as needed.
It seems to me the real impact on not having male teachers is at the adult level: the profession isn't taken as seriously if it isn't populated by men who are primary wage earners for their families. So yes, money plays into it, but there's a reciprocal relationship there: the salary won't go up if the profession isn't taken seriously, and the profession won't be taken seriously if men aren't going into it as primary wage earners, and men won't go into it as primary wage earners if the salary doesn't go up.
And also, built into the nature of inflation is the idea that it's useless to raise one group's salary unless everyone else's stays level or goes down, because otherwise the increase is eaten up by the depreciation in the currency of the salary. Until we say teachers are MORE important than something else, teachers won't get their salaries raised in real terms.
So does this all matter? Does it matter that we don't respect teachers in anglo societies? Does it matter that non-sports teachers are seen as either beta males (in the humanities) or autistics (in the sciences)?
I know that, at least in upper-middle-class, college-bound U.S. communities, teachers are the people who stand in the way of your perfect child getting into the college of his or her choice, and they have to be given a cocktail of coaxing and brow-beating to make sure your perfect child gets the 'A' he or she needs to get into the right school. The intense achievement culture of schools today has diminished the teacher's role by highlighting the potential for arbitrariness in teachers' decisions about things that will change the course of a child's life. So there's overlap there, too: men, and particularly men who see themselves as role models, won't go into a profession that isn't taken seriously. But also, when teachers aren't taken seriously, it undermines their ability to teach sincerely. A more chauvinistic teaching profession would be a more effective teaching profession.
If men were the dominant gender in teaching the only people concerned about it would be feminists, worried about women's lack of entrance to a profession. They'd be the only ones worrying about girls lacking role models, and we wouldn't be getting any stories about girls lagging behind boys regularly, either.
Whenever someone says "oh I hope my child gets a male teacher" we can infer there is something lacking in a woman teacher, and that there is something inherently good about a man. Yet does gender affect ability to teach? No.
The conversation devalues women and their work.
I don't think they mean they want their child to have ONLY male teachers because they think women are crap. People are individuals, but by virtue of their gender (as with race, class etc), women and men are exposed to different perspectives that they can bring to the table for children to judge for themselves. I think listening to a wider variety of voices makes for a wiser person, and a more even gender split favors that outcome more strongly because gender is such a big factor in how people experience the world. It's as true in teaching as it is in any other field, such as having a more even split on the board of a company.
In your first paragraph you say that if men were the dominant gender in teaching that feminists would be concerned about the lack of role models for young girls. In your next paragraph you say that discussing the opposite situation devalues women and their work. It seems as though you are suggesting that if the situation were reversed that discussing it would devalue men and their work? As feminists we often discuss the affects of lack of role models on women, are we devaluing the work of men in these fields by that discussion?
Also implying that this isn't an issue that should be of interest to feminists, because it affects boys in the first insatnce and only has flow on affects for women and girls, displays a lack of understanding of intersectionality and a streak of selfishness.
Heaven forbid I shouldn't worry about the men.
I believe that if teaching was male-dominated the focus of the discussion wouldn't be lack of emotional role models for girls, it would be in terms of future possibilities. We want women to be doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians, teachers, mechanics, astronauts so that they have a future of financial independence and political influence, as full members of society. Only feminists worry about that. Non-feminists prefer girls to have a very narrow view of their future lives.
The underlying message of this alleged concern about a lack of males in teaching is: it is bad for boys to be around women all the time, and women are in control of the teaching profession. I don't believe the first assumption, and I don't see what would be wrong with the second if it were true.
Male teachers are valued over female teachers, simply for their gender. Principal positions are loaded with men, despite their low numbers in the ranks. More men in the profession would mean less jobs for the girls. I don't think that is a good thing.
I agree that we need to make a change in our society to encourage men to be more nurturing - it would put an end to horrifyingly high numbers of rapes, and shows like "Three and a half men", a consummation devoutly to be wished.
When we have made a change, we will see more men in the profession. Hopefully, by then it won't disadvantage women, as other professions will be more open to women joining them.
Non-feminists prefer girls to have a very narrow view of their future lives.
It's a truth universally acknowledged on Feministing that you can't be pro-life and feminist. Does it therefore follow from your statement that a pro-lifer (non-feminist) wouldn't want a woman to be say a governor or president?
Do you feel my statement about non-feminists preferring girls to have limited career options is problematic? An outrageous attack? A fatally flawed view? I'm chuffed that its the only point in my statement that you take issue with. I'm getting better at this posting on feministing gig.
If you want to know what views anti-abortioners hold on women in government, ask some. It is a truth actually acknowledged that asking someone to defend a view that is not theirs is a derail and poor debating.
Do you feel my statement about non-feminists preferring girls to have limited career options is problematic?
That depends on whom you consider "non-feminists", which, not coincidentally, is precisely why I asked for clarification as to whom you consider to be "non-feminists." It's a miraculously expanding and contracting label, sometimes only requiring one to think women are human beings and to oppose rape, and at other times requiring that one support unrestricted abortion at public expense without parental notification. So, which kind of non-feminist "prefer girls to have a very narrow view of their future lives"?
You are inviting me to explain opinions I don't hold.
Feminism is about giving women access to political and personal freedom. Non-feminism opposes that access. Though personally fond of the hairy-legged feminist stereotype, I don't categorise people into sub-types. I evaluate actions and words as promoting or opposing.
Do explain the problem you perceive with my phrasing. I love a good "gotcha!"
So non-feminists want to limit girls' horizens, but you won't tell me who qualifies as a feminist or non-feminist because you don't like to categorize people into sub-groups. You've gotcha'd yourself there.
I'm curious because I want to know whether Sarah Palin's, Kay Bailey Hutchinson's and Michele Bachmann's average supporters are feminists in your eyes, or whether you think they think girls should have limited vocational aspirations: homemaker, nurse, teacher, secretary, senator, president, etc. Which is it?
I thought you had some idea where you were going with this. You don't have a gotcha? I am very disappointed.
I have told you who qualifies as a feminist in my eyes. "Feminism is about giving women access to political and personal freedom. Non-feminism opposes that access." I'll simplify it further. If you support freedom for women, you're a feminist. If you oppose freedom for women, you're not.
To find out what the individual supporters of the women you listed think, I'd have to ask them. Then, on the basis of whether they wanted to deny women freedoms, I'd label their views.
Now, really, if you want to keep debating this point start a thread called "If a conservative is a feminist, doesn't that mean she is a liberal? An existentialist debate."
There doesn't seem to be anything to your point to "gotcha" or otherwise address. You lay out crimes at the feet of "non-feminists" and then you can't say who qualifies as a non-feminist other than that they hate freedom for women. Since no one views themselves that way and you can't say what you mean by it, you're arguing from a meaningless term. Given that people most of Feministing would call anti-feminist (pro-lifers, Republicans, social conservatives) tried to elect a woman as vice president, it's hard to believe that those potential non-feminists think girls can only grow up to be teachers and secretaries. But you won't, for obvious reasons, say who these sinister non-feminists are, leaving you free to make any claim you want about them.
Look, I'll start a new thread. See you there.
The underlying message of this alleged concern about a lack of males in teaching is: it is bad for boys to be around women all the time, and women are in control of the teaching profession. I don't believe the first assumption, and I don't see what would be wrong with the second if it were true.
Let me break that down for you.
Assumption 1: it is bad for boys to be around women all the time
Well, that's not actually what I'm saying. Rather, more like: it is bad for boys to be around only women all the time in an educational context. If boys don't associate males with learning then they will deduce that isn't part of their gender role.
Assumption 2: and women are in control of the teaching profession.
Well, it's not that women are in control of the teaching profession but rather they are the ones overwealmingly interfacing with the children.
You don't belive assumption 1, fair enough I can live with that, the evidence isn't convincing enough for you. You have tough standards to overcome. Ok. But what really gets me about your post is this: (paraphrasing) and I don't see what would be wrong with [assumption 2] if [assumption 1] were true.
Wow. Just wow! You've just said that if boys are being disadvantaged by the affects of gender role assumptions in teaching then you are happy for that to continue! Really? It is astounding to me that someone calling themself a feminist would say that.
You do have a good point about principals though. This is a good example of the intersecitionality of the problem. Because there is the assummption that primary teaching is a nurturing job not suitable for men, it is assumed that men who do enter the profession are doing so to enter, essentially, management positions, i.e. principals. If we fix the incorrect assumption that men aren't good nurturers and don't enjoy teaching small children, that would probably go some way to chnaging perceptions and getting a higher proportion of women as principals.
I said I don't see what's wrong with Assumption 2, women being in control of teaching. If you insist on breaking down my statements, do a bit of work on your beliefs about man-hating feminists first. Jeepers.
I'm all for boys having nurturing role models. The bit I'm not impressed about is that means women get dudded out of jobs in the one area they had a serious look-in.
The men who wrote "freakonomics" have recently postulated that high-end prostitution is a great line of work, and think more women should enter it. Serendipity?
Who said anything about women getting dudded out of jobs? I'm not saying we should sack half of the women working in primary education and replace them with men. Perhaps you think encouraging women to be astronauts and scientists duds men out of jobs too?
If you read further down in the comments you'll see that what I advocate are two things 1) giving men the skills and the confidence through encouragement at a young age to pursue primary teaching if they so wish; 2) creating an environment in which male primary teachers are valued as much as their female colleagues by society, an environment where it is normal for them to pursue such positions.
If you like, don't think about all this effort just to change the gender balance in primary teaching. Think of the gender balance in primary teaching as an indicator of how good we are as a society at teaching men and women nurturing skills*. If the balance is off, as it is, it is an indicator that we are doing something wrong. When the gender balance is off in one area it has flow on affects elsewhere – I've already given examples.
*Of course that's not the whole story. I believe role models are important and thus I expect low numbers of men in teaching to act like a feedback-loop, i.e. it makes the gender schema harder to solve. When similar problems to this have been encountered for women in non-traditional roles i.e. engineering, targeted scholarships have been seen as the solution to encourage participation.
And as for doing some work on man hating feminists, I was under the impression that feminists didn't hate men:
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/10/faq-why-do-you-feminists-hate-men/
The Feminism 101 site says that feminists want "To end the perpetuation of gender expectations that, on balance, harm women."
You'll note that what we (yes I'm including myself) feminists want is to end the perpetuation of gender expectations. On balance they harm women, but it's not just the expectations that harm women that we want to put an end to. Do you see the subtle distinction there? Feminism is an equality movement.
I look forward to a future like that.I agree that everyone benefits when men don't define themselves using macho criteria.
I also look forward to a future where men are not valued over women, and women don't have to work harder and get better results than men to be considered as good: where men are not considered the best candidate by default.
One of the reasons I believe this debate is not about nurturing and role models is it is about primary schools, not early childhood or childcare. Not a whisper about men needing to be kindergarten teachers or childcare workers, yet it's just a much a place where children learn and would benefit from a wide variety of carers.
Thanks very much for this interesting discussion.I have enjoyed discussing this subject with you.
Not just teaching. The number of women entering medicine and law is also such that qualifying doctors and lawyers will be predominantly female in the West (in those countries where they aren't already such as, I have read, the UK). Even allowing for a haemhorraging effect due to childbirth, the majority of doctors, teachers and lawyers will be women in all these societies soon.
The reason it is a problem is not that the women aren't as good. It's that as long as 80+% of politicians, judges, CEOs and other powerbrokers are male, and society is very sexist, we can expect the lobbying power of medicine, law and education to decrease, because they won't have sufficient top-level people with the necessary access (eg old boy networks, entrenched privilege, shared experience, assigning credibility in your own image etc) to demand funding, attention and prioritization. Meanwhile those professions dominated by men, like, say, the military, will continue to be glorified and funded accordingly.
In other words the problem is in the OTHER fields as much as teaching. And of course if there were more opportunities for women to be top judges, politicians, CEOs and so on, there wouldn't be so many of them "trapped" in teaching, and then more spots would fall by default to the men they'd out-competed for the top posts in other fields. Unfortunately these will be second-tier men, but at least the punching power of teaching overall will go up as the old girl networks start to take shape. Plus, female politicians will not have the above negative assumptions in dealing with female teachers (though they may have other ones, eg 'Jane Doe has a math masters too and she's broken through the glass ceiling to make millions in pharmaceuticals, while Jenny Doe makes 50K a year as a headteacher, ergo Jenny Doe is not worth listening to').
I do think a decline in the quality of teachers in the last 50 years is partly attributable to the fact that there used to be a captive workforce of all the smartest women, who had to become schoolmistresses or 'go out for a governess' if they didn't want to become a husband's property or starve. There's no way around this without massive social injustice though. The best option, in my view, is firstly not to tax teachers' pay (since they are state employees and it'd spare paperwork) and secondly to make sending your brightest and best staff out for teaching sabbaticals for a year or two a tax deduction for big companies.
I think its because teaching is seen by men as a lower type of field because it is one primarily dominated by women. I think the pedophile assumption is idiotic and shocking. I also bet you wont see any female teachers pulling a North Country or beefeaters (ref:tower of london, moira cameron) scenario on any male teachers (or nurses for that matter).
I've actually heard quite a few cases of female nurses actively sabotaging male nurses, and male interns. But I suppose no woman could ever do wrong in your world.
Worlds smallest violin for you.
....and so the men found dildos in their lunch sacks, were sexually assaulted and had feces smeared on their restroom walls? Dont think so. Anyways, (I dont give much credence to your ancedotes) that attitude could be just a hold over from previous decades in which a woman had to protect what she saw as her only opportunity to have a certain social standing that wasnt glued to her husband. Protecting that is out of insecurity, not upholding exclusive gender privilege.
Some of the male nurses had "pranks" pulled on them which jeopardized the safety of their patients. Male techers have had witch hunts sent after them which can send them to jail for most of their lives.
Fancy that, women are not magically endowed with sunshine and rainbows which keeps them from doing anything evil.
That actually happened to a male coworker of mine (a lady in our office put a dildo in his lunch sac). Everyone thought it was hilarious including him.
From what I've seen teaching in both elementary and middle schools, the observation that there tend to be more men teaching the higher the grade level is not simply coincidence. There is a very strong correlation, and I think it is more strongly tied to our ideas about gender and nurturing than it is about pedophilia and salaries.
The higher the grade level, the more teaching entails specific academic subject matter - this is why we departmentalize. The lower the grade level, the more teaching is about nurturing and more significantly overlaps with parenting. When was the last time you saw a high school teacher zip a coat or tie a shoe for a student who didn't have a medical issue? How about the last time you saw a 6th grade teacher do it? We don't, as a culture, expect men to do this outside of their own kids, if that. We don't train them into doing it. Growing up as a girl, people put babies in your arms whether you ask for it or not, something that doesn't happen for boys. Girls are encouraged to babysit in a way that boys aren't. There's a lot more enculturated education and expectation towards nurturing for girls.
Not only that, but we tend to stigmatize men who display nurturing tendencies as being feminine and therefore less of a man. How many movies are there playing on the trope of "big man takes care of the kids"? Sure, part of that joke is the power inversion of Hulk Hogan or whoever getting owned by a six year old, but it's also the joke of taking someone hypermasculine, putting them in a "feminine" role of caregiver and laughing at it. In fact, there was a Schwartzenegger vehicle in the early 90s called "Kindergarten Cop" which involved him going undercover as a kindergarten teacher. Men in early ed. is explicitly a cultural punchline. Until we can change that attitude, there's going be fewer male teachers, and fewer role models of nurturing men.
Thank you celestialblender for articulating this part of the discussion far better than I did.
The lack of men in primary teaching is symptomatic of the lack of nurturing skills men have. It's not that they have less potential as nurturers but rather that they don't receive the same encouragement nor opportunity to develop those skills. The examples you gave were spot on. If we want to solve this problem, then those of us who are parents need to keep this in mind.
Indeed inferior nurturing skills is just one way in which men are emotionally less developed compared to women. This has far reaching implications: heterosexual relationships suffer because partners aren't communicating on the same level, women feel they need to perform all of the nurturing duties thus leaving them with less time and energy to pursue their careers, and men become more susceptible to mental illness.
What now? I thought it was that women have less developed intellectual capacity, so they aren't as well-equipped to deal with more rigorous levels of academic study... [this is flame, because that comment was nutty. who is it that gets mental illness?]
Depression has been linked to social isolation in adults. Men have less developed social networks because they don't bond as well on an emotional level with friends.
Perhaps I was less than clear there. I don't mean to suggest that men nor women are innately more anything than each other.
Rather, if someone is not taught and encouraged in a discipline/skill set from an early age then of couse they will have less ambition and be underdeveloped in that area compared to someone who has been groomed from an early age.
In that regard what you say is true, girls aren't as well encouraged in a lot of academic disciplines from an early age. But the solution isn't just to give girls those skills but also to encourage boys in the skills that they are lacking as well.
In other words: it's the balance that's off for both boys and girls.
I also remember Arnold doing a movie in which he was the first man to be pregnant? Anyways...
I bet your theory is right and can be affirmed when looking at how many men are at the proffesor level than at the elementary level. I bet the higher you go up, the more men will be represented.
I also remember Arnold doing a movie in which he was the first man to be pregnant? Anyways...
I bet your theory is right and can be affirmed when looking at how many men are at the proffesor level than at the elementary level. I bet the higher you go up, the more men will be represented.
The stats are for the UK and Australia. I remember there being at least one male teacher for every grade in my elementary school and the same for middle and high school. There were still more women, but there wasnt a great sparcity of male teachers either.
Historically in the US, the disparity is very much about money. Teaching was a vastly male-dominated profession until the early 1900's. When public education began to be viewed as something for the general public, and not just the advantaged, there was a sort of education boom, and we needed more teachers. Obviously, that was going to be expensive, and so women were recruited for those jobs, because they would be expected to be paid only a fraction of what their male counterparts would earn. Teaching shifted to being a female dominated, proportionately lower paying job.
Money is part of the picture to be sure, but at the high school level, the gender split, while still favoring women, is closer to 60-40, while at an elementary level the split is closer to 80-20 or more. The last school I taught at had four male classroom teachers out of about 24 - about 16% men. Not only that, but in that K-6 school, only one of those four taught below 5th grade and two taught 6th (2/3 6th grade teachers!).
This is a much more striking difference than the negligable salary difference between elementary and secondary teachers.
My point is that the way we frame and respect (or don't respect) teaching as a culture has its roots in history. There's not just one answer here, but a variety of influential factors;people are asking what the factors are that make us view teaching the way we do, and this is certainly one of the reasons we still see it as (and it is still perpetuated as) a predominately female profession---pink collar work. (I'm a teacher, too, and we're lucky that the salary difference is negligible NOW, but that had a lot to do with unionizing, and it certainly wasn't the case at the beginning of the last century.)
As for the elementary/secondary divide, I teach grad classes for future teachers, and more than once I have had women suggest to me privately that teaching beyond middle school is too "intimidating." The women are certainly not less intellectually capable than their male peers, but I think they sometimes view themselves that way, and lack the confidence to teach older kids, perceiving that the teens might give them an intellectual run for their money they're not ready for. (And maybe this accounts for fewer women in higher ed, as well? And the fact far more men go into administration?)
And, of course, let me just say that I fully understand that thoughtful, reflective elementary school teaching is very intellectual work---I'm just talking about the perceptions of the inexperienced future-teacher students that I have. They haven't actually taught yet, so we spend a lot of time debunking mythology of teaching!
I'm a highschool teacher because I'm an unmarried dude and if I were a kindergarten teacher in this country people would assume I was a pedophile.
aleks could you elaborate? Are you saying that you would like to teach primary school but feel that you would be unfairly branded as a sexual predator by sections of the community if you did so?
Yes. Teaching high school, people just assume I'm gay, which is fine. Teaching small kids, as I've done and thoroughly enjoyed in other countries
would get people wondering exactly why I enjoyed the company of children.
I think you've got a great point here. I definitely encounter people who have this attitude, that any man who works with children must be a pedophile.
When I was a counselor at a summer camp, I remember a structure being set up where female counselors were encouraged to take care of the younger kids, and guys being put primarily into the sports/ older camper positions. This wasn't even because of personal preference, either. I remember on the checklist they handed me stating that I would like to take care of 7-9 year-olds, and my friend did the same. Still another girl checked off the "12-14" option. However all of us were put in the 2-4 age group, the only age group that was all female.
There really is a stigma out there that men aren't as good at women at taking care of younger age categories, and if they choose to do so they are probably pedophiles. One of my male friends who really enjoys babysitting (his favourite age is 4 years old), has recieved feedback from his female friends that while he's a cool dude, once they had kids they wouldn't ever let a guy babysit them.